So you've got nothing to worry about, longer ron.

Yep, if there's one thing we can say with certainty about the proposed EU vote, it's that 'nationalism' and racism will play no part in it (you have read the Daily Mail, right?)

The damage is already done Melmoth !

There may be another factor that influences how people answer the poll questions... let us hope it is that !

Melmothw, Yes PQ is still part of Confederation, but not really, its a typical Canadian compromise in which a series of goverments in Quebec stomp on anything which is not ordained as "pure Quebecois" the rest of the country turns a blind eye, so as to avoid troops on the streets again. Lets face it, when the "Speach Police" {yes, they REALLY do exist} tries to shut down an Italian resteraunt for using the word "Pasta" on the menu, then you know why most of the money/brains have bailed out long ago.By the way, both myself and my children speak French/English, the saving grace in this situation is so many Quebecers have gone West to partake of the oil boom and are seeing that the outside world is not as presented by the fanatics, thus with any kind of luck this may all go away given time, but it will take time, if indeed it ever takes place in part due to the lack of good language tuition in our school systems, the Swiss being a good example of how to do it.

melmothw,

Once again you seem to read things into peoples comments that are not actually there. I am not trying to shout you down, and while my likely voting preference may be obvious, I am not aware of anything I have written on here that deliberately seeks to persuade people to vote one way or another. I was not aware of being on a soapbox.

My interest is simply in the situation regarding veterans pensions in a post independent Scotland.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion. Is one persons opinion worth more than anothers? Actually I'd say yes to that question. As just a couple of examples, the use of "expert" witnesses in court cases, Courtney Mil's opinion on fighter operations would be worth more than mine. Your opinion (whether it be yes or no) would appear not to based on direct experience of events on the ground in Scotland. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that my opinion is worth more than yours - just that not all opinions are equal. I'm sorry if you disagree with that, or feel I'm shouting you down, but it's my opinion...which no doubt under your values you have to at least respect if not agree with?

Yes, as a UK citizen you will be effected by the outcome, which seems somewhat ironic as not all UK citizens have a say in the matter, but nowhere near as much as someone living in Scotland.

Tone is often difficult to read in posts such as this, if you think I'm coming over as aggressive, shouting you down, disregarding your opinion, I can do nothing other than apologize. All I can say is that I'm trying to relate how this all feels to someone actually caught up in the heart of it to the extent that it dominates everything else and results in you facing potentially life changing decisions.

Those sound like issues that are peculiar to Quebec and Canada, and haven't surfaced in over a decade of Scottish or Welsh devolution. Can't really see it being an issue post independence IMHO.

No worries Biggus, I think one think we can both agree on is that it's an emotive issue for sure.

Melmothw, I dont think your reciever is working, such issues are not peculier to the Canadian situation alone, the outflow of capitol, brains,talent , industry,will take place if this vote goes to the "yes" side, this has been the case in nearly all such {with one exception} events throughout history, Ive had the misfortune to be involved in two such situations, I sugest you read a bit of recent history, belive me, when you have seen whole streets of houses going for twenty cents on the dollar, including the one you are living in, it tends to make one very nervous about the UK/Scotish situation!

I just wish I could sell my house and get the flock out of Scotland! Even in the Borders the atmosphere has changed already! Very aggressive Yes voters on the streets and No campaign posters being removed or defaced! As already said, the damage has been done and I can only see it getting worse!:E

So...does a "Yes" Vote on this mean house values in Scotland will go down? Might there be bargains to be had for those with some retirement money to invest?

Might one find a place on a River somewhere for a bit of fishing yet?

Or say a small Croft on Skye or out that way then perhaps?

Or should One continue to look at Ireland for that last place prior to the final Round Up?

House prices are stagnant! Sales are non existent for anything over three hundred thousand! If the vote is Yes then even more will come on the market so I suspect there will be plenty of bargains around!

Nothing wrong with my receiver Clunck.

I'm not suggesting it will be all milk and honey should the yes vote win, but I'd suggest that predictions of civil strife and troops on the streets are probably just as wide of the mark.

Many countries haven't done so badly under independence, Canada among them. You might want to read up on some of that history yourself mate.

Independance you say? Dear Lord we only repatriated our constitution a few years back under the government of PET, Quebec of course refused to sign so we are still not a unified nation, as for Canada doing well, the province I live in has a five billion dollar public dept and has no cash whatsoever to maintain our roads and other infrastructure, we only survive by selling our food and other natural resorces, along with our oil, to China and the USA at a fraction of true value'.Like many "Poms" you dont have a bloody clue about the real situation in Canada, now I must go and smash a few skulls on cute baby seals so we can eat this winter!

And yet despite all the hardships you describe, the Canadians don't seem to be beating a path back to reunification with the UK government. How odd.
And yet you have no qualms in coming on here to lecture me about the situation in the UK. Oh, and I'm Welsh mate, so not a 'Pom'.

@Clunkdriver

Did not realise things were that bad almost sounds like out of Clive Cussler's Night Train which continues the adventure of Dirk Pitt and the NUMA Agency caught up between a Marxist and Sov backed Free Quebec movement led by a ruthless KGB trained terrorist in cahoots with a Quebec minister and on top of that a semi retired British Intelligence agent wanting to disrupt the US. Government and NUMA from salvaging a train and a ship in US and Canada which holds a document signed by Woodrow Wilson and the King of England handing over Canada to the USA.

In the beginning the Quebec terrorists are claimed to be responsible for many murders and act of terrorism including - shooting down of the Canadian PM aircraft with stolen British made hand held SAMS (fictionally named but probably based on the Blowpipe missile as the Canadian Army had them )

Anyhow what you also paint can be a bleak picture w.r.t the Scots ..in essence could it end up like the Troubles in NI?

What's the odds Scotland will go independent in reality .... And us lot down South will let it be?

Cheers

Acording to my Kiwi wife, any person from your area is a "Pom", as for me I was born in the UK but left many many years ago, my father being Irish and an RFC vet {observer on BE2C and RE8s} it became obvious that I would be better of out of the place, however having spent many years on layovers there I must confess both my wife and I are thinking of spending the winters in the UK, OK, so it rains a bit, but as a wise man said, "you dont have to shovel rain!"The improvment in the quality of life in the UK since the late fifties far exceeds that in Canada, this is clearly reflectd in our imigration figures, most are coming from truly crappy places, very few these days from Europe or other advanced countries.

Sorry for the slight thread drift, but maybe the OP has the right more than anyone else!


However, purely for the purposes of clarification, the term pommie/pommy seems to refer to someone who is British

Pommy: definition of Pommy in Oxford dictionary (British & World English)

and would thus include the English, Welsh and Scots. ;)

Oxford vs Cambridge eh?

Two different opinions - quite apt in the circumstances!!

What have English, Welsh and Canadians got to do with this? It's a Scottish issue. Let them make their decision, and then live with it. No-one else's business but theirs.

FWIW I think they will (and to some extent already have) crucify themselves, but it's their right to do what they think is the right thing to do. Not England, Wales or Canada. Or Ireland or the US.

Leave them to it.

So Roadster, If California decides to join Mexico {again} you would not feel as an American feel that you could comment on this move? Somehow I doubt you would would take this position.Scotland is part of the UK, the Brits will be very much affected should UDI take place, they and the rest of the Comonwealth have every right to partake in the debate, just as we did when Rhodesia declared their independence. {and look what a bloody shambles that turned out to be}