Who knows

And isn't that the point?

wish

That was one reason.


I think some in the Indo mil might have liked to but overall I think they
know it would not have ended well for them.

Jim Molan had a few interesting things to say in his book about Indo and the East Timor situation,
having been Army Attache and Defence Attache in Indonesia.

Not to mention the US task force loitering in the area...you know, real casual like....

Mission creep:

Amazing stuff here>>
"RAAF Hornets in Iraq" 2003 becomes Timor!:rolleyes:

Just what we need - another Coalition thought-bubble slipped to a friendly journalist to gauge public reaction!

SO many things wrong with this article...

Nope - the Growlers are still at least three years away

Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story!

:E

I've even read in some corners people screaming that we should bring the Pig back.... I'm not even going to get started on that front.

I was thinking of the same thing.

I always remember the press release, "wired for, not with" !


"I've even read in some corners people screaming that we should bring the Pig back...."

What is the pig going to do that the Super can't ?

Cost more money? :E

Dump n Burn. :ok:

http://www.pacificaviationmuseum.org...c/image027.jpg

RAAF jets and Army SAS ready to wage war on ISIS in Iraq

Of course they are, now we just need the political will.

Well boys (and girls) flying the pointy stuff - you might just get your wish - breaking in Oz this arvo.

"The officials, who asked not to be named discussing sensitive internal deliberations, said they expected that Britain and Australia would be willing to join the United States in an air campaign."

Read more: US campaigns to enlist Australia and other allies to attack Islamic State in Syria

...and Buster that is shock and awe...!

TFR set to 'hard' and 100", they are gone before you know they've been there....except for the destruction.

The wording in the media certainly looks like they are softening up the public
For an announcement that it will happen..

Syria is a turn up for the books.

Ex Chief of RAAF has just been on ABC.
Very good interview and spoke of Syria being valuable experience for our aircrew - Super and Classic Hornets being well up to the job.
Yes - looking increasingly likely.

Why are the Classics OK this time but not before ?

Have they now got upgraded defense systems ?

Coz we finished reading the instructions for the Supers?

What HUG are they up to now?

I bet there are some very interested aircrew kicking around ACG right now :E

Fantastic Photograph.
 

Used to love to watch and listen to the F-111 when the Americans flew them over the UK in the 1980's.
Australia will never drop a bomb abroad. Far too politically risky for the Government. I mean suppose one was shot down and the aircrew captured and paraded and then murdered? There would be an outcry so loud you would hear it in London. Lose your place in power because of the result of a crazy war far away? Don't think so now.

Australia will never drop a bomb abroad. Far too politically risky for the Government.


Rubbish. Classics dropped bombs in GW2 in 2003. I think Super Hornets will go this time, but I do not support this intervention. Let the Gulf States do it.

Regardless of your support for or against the Iraqi intervention in the first place, the words, we help create the situation we help fix it comes to mind.

I'm firmly in the position that Iraqi was doing fine till we pulled out. That said we helped them create the fledgling democracy and army not yet capable of defending themselves.

Combine that with the politics of withdrawing, then we have a hand in it. The gulf states are nowhere near strong enogh to deal with the situation by themselves without potentially becoming unstable themselves.

All those states can be considered metastable systems.

Complete ignorance here, so please go easy.

I note that the press conference stated that the F14s are the exact same aircraft used on US carriers.

Is flying Oz Hornets off US carriers realistic? Has there been landing practice on marked-off runway sections with arrestors, full catapult-assisted takeoffs? Has there been any actual Oz carrier operation?

I think they actually said the FA-18 Super Hornets were the same as what is flown from US Carriers. That's what I heard.

I'll let others answer the rest.

The same ROE's as America, or so restrictive that they can't be used for what they are needed for?

Time will tell.

That !

Just because that seems to be the way we operate now.

Groaner,
ex RAAF head was asked this on 7:30 last night.
"We don't fly off carriers in the RAAF," he wryly said, but then explained that there are lots of nations nearby who have airfields that they have flown from.

1. The US doesn't need any RAAF assistance.

2. US benefits from Australian participation as it can sell the job as an 'Allied' effort.

3. Australia benefits in receiving the good gear from the gun runners and all the other benefits of hanging around with the school bully.

4. ROE more restrictive since US actions are arguably illegal.

1) true
2) true
3) true even if using an emotive term.
4) Not illegal if invited by the Iraqi government. Syria is a different ball game though.

3) We get the good gear anyway, virtually anything asked for !


Syria IS going to be interesting !

Trade off - US supports the leader and he'll let them in to crush ISIS.

What is more interesting is what support the US gets from Arab nations, He's let them down
so many times, no wonder they took action by themselves.

Compared to the other bullies - I think I'll stick with this one.
And I kinda like their guns too.

So why don't they sort their own sh*t out..............oh, that's right - because they can't!!:mad:
F*ck 'em, I say. Let 'em wipe each other out, then negotiate with the winners for the oil......which is the only reason we speak to them to start with.

Abbott seems to be prepping the public for a press release and /
or sounding them out.

Tartare at #68 wrote

The last Australian to launch from a carrier for a sortie in hostile skies (Iraq) was CO 800 NAS, in HMS Invincible, in 1999, driving an FA2.

He was one the RAN Skyhawk drivers who sought greener pastures in Blighty after being given the heave-ho in '83.

Today's Australian mentioned E-7A Wedgetails to Iraq as well as Super Hornets, "transports" and SAS.

RAAF C-130J's are in the Gulf now and have been for ages.

http://www.9news.com.au/national/201...-kurds-in-iraq

RAAF F/A-18F Super Hornets x 6 completed 2900 combat hours, over 400 missions with 100% mission serviceability over 7 months. [source RAAF release] They are now replaced by six F/A-18A's from No 75 Sqn. Here's hoping they do as well.

Hornets putting their stings into the ISIS ruffians: a good news story regardless of vintage. :ok:

100%? Seems awfully high. Wonder what broke bits weren't considered mission essential equipment to allow continued ops, or how many spares were available on a daily basis.

100%? Seems awfully high. Wonder what broke bits weren't considered mission essential equipment to allow continued ops, or how many spares were available on a daily basis.


Enough spare aircraft - so that what couldn't be fixed on start-up just meant crew swapped aircraft.
100% tasked take-offs achieved...which probably translates into achieving 100% of tasked missions.

BB, correct


Most days only 2 or 4 jets were tasked, so with a deployment of 6, it wasn't uncommon for a spare to be generated as a backup. The "100% mission serviceability" should probably read "mission availability".