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It also seems to suggest that the award of the LS&GC be 'harmonised' ... to include officers?

Good grief

What constitutes "good conduct" for an officer (for issue of the LS&GC award)? Not getting caught, imbibing only fruit juice at happy hour, actually reading GASOs and the FOB when signing...so much restraint required...so much high spirits to be missed (aka vandalism when applied to ORs):rolleyes:

Mister B

An officer's Good Conduct is implicit, and Long Service isn't exactly meritorious. There's a world of difference between Terms of Service and expectations for officers/ORs. I still wouldn't mind having one, though ;)

LS&GC award - Hmm. Would eight years, one or two tea without tea or biscuits and banned from the bar for a week exclude one? Thought so :(

@ Basil ... Get some in!! :sad:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Se..._Conduct_Medal
Hmm ... Formal Letter from Phil Lag**on and Banned from the Bar. Damn! ;)

I'd be interested to know why this end date was selected.

I did hear a vicious rumour a few weeks ago that consideration was being given to re-instating the GSM. If correct, and the rumour wasn't actually relating to what's mentioned here, it would seem to make sense given the number of smaller ad hoc operations that might otherwise qualify for some sort of medallic recognition but fall short of a campaign medal.

Personally, I would welcome a slight relaxing of the rules and have always thought we have been somewhat parsimonious in our medals policy. I don't advocate ribbons for this and that, but if people are deploying on a named operation, then why not. I've always enjoyed seeing people in No 1s and 5s with ribbons / medals, it's a sort of visual representation of what they have done as an individual and what the Services have been up to, often out of sight of much of the population. And it often gives rise to some very interesting stories over a beer afterwards. Plus, I've always found the Govt's rules on 'double medalling' to be, shall we say, liberally interpreted when required; after all, you win a medal in the Olympics, why should you also get another medal for just doing your job and for which you have already been rewarded.

On the other hand, if I ended up qualifying for an LS&GC, well frankly, I think that would be the end of any credibility associated with it :ok:

... dare one suggest the detachment dates of a (now) VSO to ASI ....:hmm:

.... ooh you cynical b****h Teeters

Teeters, think you may have hit the nail on the head, hope to meet him, I'll help him look for the rosette that has obviously fallen off.

I seem to recall the rationale behind Officers not receiving the LSGC is that those without would be conspicuous and foster disrespect from the ranks.

On a similar vein, it is my understanding that all medals awarded to Commonwealth servicemen (and women) are authorised through a UK Govt dept and ultimately signed off by HM. So, it is with interest that UK serviceman are not recognised for a current det in the Mid East, where the Canadian counterparts are........... Are there any other anomalies that personnel are aware of where UK troops are not recognised v other Commonwealth troops?

I'm sure TTN will know the complete answer, but ISTR that the "Vietnam" clasp to GSM 1962 was only awarded to Aussies and Kiwis.

Assuming - like most GSM clasps - its qualification was "geographical", then there must have been a small number of Brits - Embassy staff? - who theoretically qualified.

Over to you TTN :ok:

MPN11, Formal Letter AND Banned from the Bar :cool:

I am humbled ;)

I think I am correct in saying that the 'South Vietnam' clasp to the 1962 GSM was only awarded to Australian troops, for 30 days qualifying service in the theatre between 24 May 62 and 29 May 64. Only 70 were awarded. Subsequent service was recognised by the award of the Vietnam Medal 1964, which was an Australian issue (bearing the Queen's head) , but was also awarded to New Zealand personnel. As well as embassy staff mentioned by teeteringhead I think it is generally believed that UK special forces operated in Vietnam at various times, but certainly none was given either of the aforementioned medals, probably for political reasons.

With regard to the new awards I am particularly interested in the new clasp 'Cyprus' to the 1962 GSM, which brings the total clasps awarded to this medal to 14. Also the 'Berlin Airlift' clasp to the earlier GSM is a very welcome, if somewhat belated award, particularly as the Americans recognised the operation with a separate medal at the time.

Just curious, but if one serves for 2 qualifying periods during the overall qualifying dates, does one get a bar or some other endorsement ?

The reverse logic applies to enlisted personnel of a certain age minus an LS&GC, you can usually rely on them to be near the bar fight if not actually start it at the Remembrance day curry lunch.

Just so. I waded through all the paperwork from different MoD departments/Services in the AFD (yes, I ran that sort of office) to brief ACAS, and that was indeed one of the major objections. There were others, as I noted upthread.

"Wot ? More bleedin' gongs to polish !"

(not quite the right attitude, but.....)

Friend of mine did lots of Ops but got no medals 'cause they were n't :)

Then what about Brixmis? If anyone in Germany should've had a medal . . .

Surprised no one has suggested a QRA medal. Just think, Bomber Command, Fighter Command, RAFG, Strike Command clasps. :)

I had a look at the full report earlier, all 70 pages of it. Given the nature of the subject, I was rather surprised to read statements that went along the lines of 'this isn't a priority for people at the moment'.

So I had a closer look at who wrote and contributed to said report. Guess what? There appeared to be rather limited input from those at the coal face, for whom the issue of medallic recognition is most relevant. There was, however, an awful lot of input from politicians, career civil servants and VVVSOs who I would feel safe in arguing wouldn't know one end of a modern rifle from another. It does rather make one wonder :suspect: