UK maybe procuring AH-64E.
If procurement does go ahead, can see Rolls Royce being out of an engine retrofit, as the Echo has 2,000 SHP GE T-700s standard.
AH-64E looking increasingly likely for UK - IHS Jane's 360 |
Or we could buy 200 A-10's for pennies, then just field 50 of them and use the rest for spares for the next 30 years.
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Or Both...
Probably end up getting the AH-64E's, retro-fitting them with UK engines and parking them up in some dusty hanger somewhere for 10 years while the MOD and the Contractor argue over the misconstrued expectation that they are actually expected to fly after the fit. Contractors defence being that the contract didnt actually specify it! :rolleyes: Out of interest... How many A-10's could you fit on a QE Class .... ? Never mind about the taking off bit, that's a mere technicality... :suspect: |
Or we could buy 200 A-10's for pennies, then just field 50 of them and use the rest for spares for the next 30 years. Hold on a minute............ didn't we just???...................... Oh, never mind! :oh: |
retro-fitting them with UK engines and parking them up in some dusty hanger somewhere |
Vendee
I realise I'm just stirring the sh1t here but just how many times did the Harrier take off and land vertically during it's time on land in Afghanistan? Did it not use the same runway as the A10s?
Your point has merit but it can't really be used with reference to recent operational experience. BV:8 |
BV
I was being sarcastic. I know the Harriers were clapped out and also their runway requirements. Besides, I'm currently involved with the AH64D's and it would be in my interests if we bought the AH64E :)
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Contractors defence being that the contract didnt actually specify it! |
I don't think that Rolls-Royce would care as they are getting out of the helicopter engine business. They no longer have a stake in the current Apache since they sold their share of RRTM to TM.
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'The decision to axe Harrier was bonkers...' :}
I'll get me coat! -RP |
Hold on chaps, I have a much better idea... Hear me out..
Why don't we design our own attack helicopter?!! Rather than buying one ready made of here shelf, tried and tested, with spares in abundance, let's design and build our own from scratch!? Actually that's going to cost slightly more, so let's maybe let the Italians get involved too, I mean it worked for the Merlin? Those were a lot cheaper and a lot better than anything that was on the shelf weren't they? :ok: |
but just how many times did the Harrier take off and land vertically during it's time on land in Afghanistan? |
I'm guessing they might get them - flog off the D's in part exchange but 18 at the very best, maybe less. By then everything will be absorbed into the RFC, saving all round.
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Originally Posted by peter we
Short take off and landing, a lot.
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I'm guessing they might get them - flog off the D's in part exchange but 18 at the very best, maybe less. It's win-win really, as you're essentially getting new aircraft but at a significant fraction of the cost (the expense is primarily locked up in the parts and systems you're cross-decking) |
Not in the least surprised its the Boeing/AAC's perceived most likely scenario. Just got to add the bean counters into that equation.
I'm still betting 18 at the very best. |
Not in the least surprised its the Boeing/AAC's perceived most likely scenario. Just got to add the bean counters into that equation. I'm still betting 18 at the very best. 18 sounds about right to me also. |
UK maybe procuring AH-64E.
Peter.
As ES has already highlighted STOVL was not under debate. You still need a runway for that. Might I politely suggest you RTFQ?! Just banter you understand. BV;) |
Vendee -Not sure where you get your information on the Harriers being 'clapped out' ! A lot of the airframes had far fewer hours on them them than the Tornado fleet and in many ways were superior in terms of reliability and future potential.
Regards the AH-64 Block III -this has always been a racing certainty . The vast majority of 'D' operators will update to the 'E' -whether with new build or reworked 'D's. Some of the desired mods are the engine gearbox improvements and modifications to the mrg and improved avionics. The airframes themselves can go straight into the programme -there is no need for new aircraft . Indeed many 'D's are ex 'A's that are gutted and reworked . Its nothing new and is very well conceived. |
Vendee -Not sure where you get your information on the Harriers being 'clapped out' ! A lot of the airframes had far fewer hours on them them than the Tornado fleet and in many ways were superior in terms of reliability and future potential. I haven't had anything to do with Harrier since the GR3 but a colleague told me a couple of years ago that the airframes were very tired. I'm not saying that scrapping the Harrier was the correct decision though. It probably had more life in it than the Tornado. |
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