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The Helpful Stacker 15th Mar 2014 12:20


what happened to camouflage ?
He passed away last night.

"Woah-oh-oh-oh, Camouflage....."

;)

BEagle 15th Mar 2014 12:37

Indeed, The Helpful Stacker!

For all oo-rah mreeenkaww viewers:


N2erk 15th Mar 2014 15:52

Off topic as usual, we used to have nice white flying helmets- mine was a Mk3?- visor like a Mk1,and nice white gloves. Then it was decreed helmets and gloves should be tactical green - Harrier dispersal inspired I think. So now that aircraft are grey, are the helmets and gloves also???

Haraka 15th Mar 2014 16:07

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As always the US led, and still lead, the way on camo to defeat sensors of various kinds, including Mk.1 eyeball and IR
British Aircraft camouflaging started in 1907 with dazzle painting on the wings of a Dunne D1 biplane, with the khaki green upper surface camouflage coming in during 1916. By this time, the Germans were using close patterned dots to give a grey shade illusion leading on to full multi-colour camouflage and the extremely innovative hexagonal camouflage by 1917, using basically pointillist theory to provide an illusion to match the background ( be it land, sea or air ). This, incidentally, is a direct precursor in theory to the digital camouflage systems of the last 20 years or so. They also experimented with optical stealth using transparent coverings on aircraft .
The United States of course, totally lacking an aircraft industry of any consequence in WW1, used British and French aircraft when they finally entered the conflict in 1917 .These usually retained their British and French designed camouflage schemes, with American national markings merely placed over the positioning of the French or British originator's cockades, the USA not having got to the stage of implementing its own aircraft camouflage schemes during that conflict, nor , indeed for many years after.

SASless 15th Mar 2014 16:49

Next thing you know Haraka will be claiming the Brits created "Light"!:oh:

MPN11 15th Mar 2014 16:54

Avoiding any hand bagging about who and when, I believe it is a reasonable assumption on my part that aircraft cam in WW1, and indeed WW2, is a slightly different scenario than today's. Operating profiles is one thing, the 'threat' is another.

Things have changed a bit since "Happy Birthday, RFC" :cool:

Pontius Navigator 15th Mar 2014 17:03


Originally Posted by Norma Stitz (Post 8377744)
Hemp was good for large aircraft parked on concrete aprons at ISK, Marham, St. Mawgan, Brize, etc...but only for the naked eye. Trouble is ISK also had a hangar painted brightly in the 80s so you could see for it miles, giving the game away should you have wished to fly your BACKFIRE 'feet dry' instead of fire some ungentlemanly stand-off weapon.

Camouflage of aircraft in UK and painting HAS green was always a load of b*locks. Everything paints green and hangars and HAS make wonderful radar reflectors.

At warp 6 a Backfire will be steady on its bomb run well before aircraft on the ground can be seen even in daylight. If we imagined that Backfires would attempt low level attacks in UK by daylight then we were dreaming. Tacevals should have been run at night not in broad daylight.

CoffmanStarter 15th Mar 2014 17:09

It would seem that Digital/Pixel Camouflage for aircraft is the next fashion statement :8

http://i1004.photobucket.com/albums/...psd9b1faf0.jpg

Also called HyperStealth Technology ... apparently to be applied via templates to aircraft. The above pic is "simulated" to show what a Jordanian F-16 could look like ... Looks and sounds expensive :eek:

More here ...

HyperStealth goes Supersonic - Digital Camouflage for Mach 2+

HAS59 15th Mar 2014 17:24

Why Hemp?
 
The Hemp colour was not designed to camouflage our large aircraft from attacking enemy bombers.
It was a measure designed to make our aircraft harder to detect on Soviet Medium resolution reconnaissance satellites – which it did.
It forced ‘Old Joe Vodka’ to launch more of his High Resolution Satellites to do the same job.
And in doing so was another step to them becoming bankrupt – which is what ended the Cold War.

NutLoose 15th Mar 2014 17:38


Tacevals should have been run at night not in broad daylight.
And ideally about 5 minutes in duration as most airfields would be glowing dust after that.

skydiver69 15th Mar 2014 18:43

This is what happened to Camouflage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFYxCIr-Byo

barnstormer1968 15th Mar 2014 18:52

THS said:

Quote:
what happened to camouflage ?
He passed away last night.

"Woah-oh-oh-oh, Camouflage....."

Absolutely priceless. Best and funniest post for me this years so far :)

Haraka 15th Mar 2014 19:02


Next thing you know Haraka will be claiming the Brits created "Light"!
Not at all , we concede John Wayne won WW2, didn't he?
(Let's not let inconvenient facts ever get in the way of popular U.S. propaganda and self-delusion )

In other words SASless, you having decided to grandstand to us all in #25 and choosing to disparage my remarks in #24 , I now invite you to challenge me on any of the specific comments I made in that post.

Over to you :)

TEEEJ 15th Mar 2014 19:29

Typerated wrote


Still, the Canadians implemented the false canopy on their Hornets - can anyone comment on how effective it was to operate against?
Photos: McDonnell Douglas CF-188A Hornet (CF-18A) Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net

Some other examples of the false canopy.

RAF Jaguar GR.1 Op Granby

RAF Jaguar: Fighter jets in desert colours during Desert Storm conflict fol - London Evening Standard

Hungarian Air Force Gripen

Photos: Saab JAS-39C Gripen Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net

Hungarian Air Force MiG-29

Photos: Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net

Spanish Air Force Mirage F.1 (Canopy and Helmet)

Photos: Dassault Mirage F1CE(M) Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net

Italian Navy AV-8B Harrier

Photos: McDonnell Douglas AV-8B Harrier II+ Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net

A-10

Photos: Fairchild A-10C Thunderbolt II Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net

typerated 15th Mar 2014 19:34

I never realised anyone else copied the idea.


Certainly never realised our Jags had them - surely not the whole fleet in Desert Storm?


Seems the sort of thing you would paint on just before the jets are sent on ops.

gr4techie 15th Mar 2014 19:59

http://www.airventure.de/classicfigh...efan_Pfalz.JPG

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1.../Tirpitz6A.jpg

Saintsman 15th Mar 2014 20:15

I thought that they are still painted that way.

It's just that you can't see them...

Laarbruch72 15th Mar 2014 20:24


the new Pinzgauer off road 6 wheeler ambulance!
Belive it or not that vehicle has been in RAF service for nearly ten years now. Far from new!

SASless 15th Mar 2014 20:47

I don't suppose the underwing stores and main gear Tires (Tyres) would be a slight giveaway on the A-10 when viewed by an Eagle-Eyed Fighter Pilot?

Surely, Teddy Taliban with his trusty RPG would tweak to which side was up!

SomeGuyOnTheDeck 15th Mar 2014 21:06

Do Teddy Taliban's RPG's only work if the plane is the right way up, SASless?


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