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Hangarshuffle 5th Mar 2014 16:25

Russiia new Helicopter Carrier the Vladivostok
 
Just what Putin needs: Helicopter carrier built by the French for his navy gets first test run | Mail Online


Brand new and built in France, for Russia. They have another in build for them as well.
Strange goings on.....also where the bow on the ship gone? It looks a little too blunt - surely there's another section to be fitted?


Anyway, there's nowt as funny as...international arms trades.

Not_a_boffin 5th Mar 2014 16:35

No. They really are that ugly. Licence build deal in Russia for two more foundered on risk sharing IIRC.

Chugalug2 5th Mar 2014 16:47

Perhaps it has two blunt ends?

sycamore 5th Mar 2014 18:48

Makes it easier to stick on a ramp ...later

Hangarshuffle 5th Mar 2014 20:21

Cant believe it.
 
Surprised only the Daily Mail picked up on this, I mean it seems bizarre, a leading EU country builds Russia two weapons systems for.... global expeditionary warfare? Future grand alliance?

Not_a_boffin 6th Mar 2014 06:56

Didn't you get the memo? That nice Mr Putin is our friend, has been for over a decade and has in no way held onto power by rigging, intimidation and judicious use of placemen.

You must be some sort of Cold War relic.........(!)

Mil-26Man 6th Mar 2014 07:39




Cant believe it.

Surprised only the Daily Mail picked up on this, I mean it seems bizarre, a leading EU country builds Russia two weapons systems for.... global expeditionary warfare? Future grand alliance?


It's something that the trade media has been following for some years (see below), but I agree it is surprising that more of the nationals haven't picked up on it.


Jane's Defence Weekly


French shipyards to begin Mistral talks with Russia


Copyright © IHS (Global) Limited, 2009



French shipyards to begin Mistral talks with Russia

Record Infohide
Publication:Jane's Defence Weekly
Author:J A C Lewis JDW Correspondent, Paris
Section:EUROPE
Countries:France
Russian Federation

Last posted:2009-Oct-14

Paris has given the green light for French shipyards to begin talks with Russia on supplying at least one Mistral-class amphibious assault ship to the Russian Navy, according to sources close to the discussions.
If the deal goes through it would be the first sale of a military platform to the Russian armed forces by a NATO country.
Initial reports of Russian interest in the French vessel surfaced early this year, but the decision to engage in negotiations followed a meeting in Moscow between French Defence Minister Hervé Morin and his Russian counterpart, Anatoly Serdyukov, on 1 October. It then required the approval of the office of French President Nicolas Sarkozy. French media reports on 13 October said that Sarkozy's approval had been given but on condition that the 21,000-ton force projection and command ship (Bâtiment de Projection et de Commandement - BCP) is fully built in France and delivered without armaments or radar.
Serdyukov said in Moscow on 1 October that "for the moment we have asked the French side a number of questions" concerning the supply of the BPC, which normally carries only a light armaments suite.
Some sources suggested the Russians could order as many as four of the vessels, which cost around EUR400 million (USD592 million) apiece when fully armed. Two are already in service with the French Navy and a third was ordered this year from the manufacturers, DCNS and STX France, formerly Chantiers de l'Atlantique, in which the French state owns a 33 per cent holding. Based in Saint-Nazaire, STX France is majority-owned by South Korea's STX group.
Sources told Jane's that no specifications had yet been discussed with Russia.
Russia is known to have already approached the Dutch yard Damen Schelde Naval Shipbuilding about the possibility of acquiring four of the company's amphibious transport ships. It is also expected to contact Spanish shipyard Navantia.
A Navantia-designed 27,000 ton Strategic Projection Ship was chosen by Australia in preference to France's Mistral-class BPC in June 2007.

A A Gruntpuddock 6th Mar 2014 07:51

They seem to have built it pretty quickly, maybe we should get them to build ours!

Heathrow Harry 6th Mar 2014 08:39

Maybe we can sell them our two carriers if they are ever finished

AR1 6th Mar 2014 10:07

Looks like it's awaiting a Ski-Ramp to me!

Davef68 6th Mar 2014 10:41

The ugly blunt bow is on all the Mistral class - not sure why, must ask naval architect sister....

Mistral-class amphibious assault ship - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As well as a flight deck, they have a landing craft well deck - effectively do a combination of the job that the RN does with Ocean and Albion/Bulwark or the US with their much larger LHDs as well as having the capability to have the casualty receiving/hospital role of Argus. Quite useful ships.

Fortissimo 6th Mar 2014 11:22

I think you will find Russia's new helicopter carrier is called the Crimea! :E

Sook 7th Mar 2014 07:11

Not far off, the second carrier is due to be named Sevastopol!

ORAC 7th Mar 2014 07:39


The ugly blunt bow is on all the Mistral class - not sure why, must ask naval architect sister....
Just conjecture, but reading up on the original design from which the Mistral was developed there was a problem with turbulence over the deck around the superstructure which would affect helicopter operations. They had a lot of wind tunnel tests and altered the design.

Is it a possibility that the flat prow acts the same way the blunt nose is used on air vehicles to lift the airflow above and away from the deck?

Not_a_boffin 7th Mar 2014 08:55

TBH it's probably more to do with minimising fabrication cost......

Pontius Navigator 7th Mar 2014 09:44

Very shallow draft and I see it has azipods and bow thrusters as well. Perfect for manoeuvring close in shore in shallow seas.

West Coast 7th Mar 2014 14:06

Lets hope the French have "outfitted" with all types of electronics.

WE Branch Fanatic 7th Mar 2014 16:32


Originally Posted by Davef68
As well as a flight deck, they have a landing craft well deck - effectively do a combination of the job that the RN does with Ocean and Albion/Bulwark or the US with their much larger LHDs as well as having the capability to have the casualty receiving/hospital role of Argus. Quite useful ships.

Sounds ideal for coercing/invading former Soviet republics.

rh200 8th Mar 2014 03:03

actually if they get sanctions and can't hand it over to Putin, the poms might be able to buy it at a discount, though being French it will probally go faster in reverse.

Heathrow Harry 8th Mar 2014 07:35

they seem to be very capable ships - pity we can't stretch to a couple TBH

Almost certain;ly a lot more use than 2 undermanned carriers


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