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Cows getting bigger 14th Feb 2014 05:09

5 Sqn Sentinal mapping floods
 
BBC News - RAF spy plane Sentinel maps southern England floods

melmothtw 14th Feb 2014 06:28

Tornados also, it would seem RAF Tornado jet joins flood relief effort - Telegraph

Can't accuse RAF comms of missing a trick. Flooding is the new Global War On Terror.

Wensleydale 14th Feb 2014 06:57

Sentinel operating over water..... I wonder how long before someone mentions "MPA"?http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...s/badteeth.gif

Mil-26Man 14th Feb 2014 07:00

3 minutes...




Jane's Defence Weekly








DSEI 2013: Raytheon proposes maritime patrol Sentinel R.1








Copyright © IHS Global Limited, 2013











DSEI 2013: Raytheon proposes maritime patrol Sentinel R.1





Record Infohide


Publication:Jane's Defence Weekly


Author:Gareth Jennings, London


Section:


Country:United Kingdom





Last posted:2013-09-12


Images:1 image





https://janes.ihs.com/ExternalItems/...s/p1420037.jpg1420037The
RAF currently fields five Sentinel R.1 aircraft, which Raytheon say can be
reconfigured to undertake maritime patrol missions as part of a multirole
package. (IHS/Patrick Allen)





Raytheon is pitching the Sentinel R.1 stand-off ground surveillance radar
aircraft as a possible solution to bridge the UK's maritime patrol capability
gap, a company official told IHS Jane's on 12 September.


Head of Airborne Solutions for Raytheon UK, Paul Francis, said that the idea
of utilising the wide-area surveillance aircraft for maritime patrol has been
presented to the Ministry of Defence (MoD) and that there has been a favourable
response to the concept. However, he conceded that this is wholly dependent on
the platform being retained post the Strategic Defence and Security Review in
2015.


"There is a lot of interest [within the MoD], but bear in mind the current
situation [regarding plans to retire the aircraft in 2015]," he said at the 2013
DSEI defence and security exhibition in London.


Although the Sentinel's dual-mode ground moving target indicator synthetic
aperture radar was designed for, and is wholly geared towards, overland use,
Francis explained that it would only require a software change to make it
compatible with maritime operations also.


These changes should enable the Sentinel to detect surface vessels and
potentially submarine periscopes, and additional sensors could be fitted to
further boost the platform's maritime surveillance capability. Francis stressed,
however, that the Sentinel would not have an offensive anti-surface vessel or
anti-submarine capability, and would be purely a maritime surveillance platform.



According to Francis, such a multirole platform would be an ideal fit for the
UK Royal Air Force (RAF), which has not been able to field a maritime patrol
capability since the government retired its Hawker Siddeley Nimrod MR.2 and
cancelled its BAE Systems Nimrod MRA.4 replacement in 2010.

Just This Once... 14th Feb 2014 07:12

It's not just the amazing technology or unparalleled view from the air that provides such a jaw-dropping capability from a fast jet. The real magic is provided by the Imagery Analysts that can pick-out key information that cannot be replicated by anyone who has not undergone years of training:

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/...d_2821834c.jpg


IA Comment: Low lying ground adjacent to river is affected by flood waters. End of Comment.
I understand they have recently been approached by the woodland bear proctologists and by a new religious survey group for the Apostolic Palace.

Anyway, the Sentinel article was pretty good.:ok:

PFMG 14th Feb 2014 08:01

Surely the IA comment should relate to intelligence gleaned from other sources or previous knowledge/experience rather than the straight interpretation of the image.

Madbob 14th Feb 2014 08:15

I would have thought in the case of flooding there was plenty of HUMINT available........

The only problem being that the EA, local and central government was not willing to listen, and act, on it weeks ago.....:sad::sad::sad:

Now that the floods, wx and damage has come to the attention of the PM the powers that be are finally switching from continuous transmit to receive.

Still, it does I suppose provide the govt with hopefully a justification to keep such capabilities as Sentinel and RAPTOR......not that I can see the strain on the defence budget being eased in any way. Maybe the CAS can use this to stop the disbanding of 5 Sqn when Op Herrick is complete.

MB

Biggus 14th Feb 2014 08:46

MB,

Maybe the CAS can use this to stop the disbanding of 5 Sqn when Op Herrick is complete

The cynic (or should that be realist?) in me might say that is the reason they are being used in the first place, or at least the reason for the high profile BBC coverage....


......a bit like the E-3D fleet doing their one and only deployment to Afghanistan just before SDSR2010.

PFMG 14th Feb 2014 08:51


The cynic (or should that be realist?) in me might say that is the reason they are being used in the first place, or at least the reason for the high profile BBC coverage....
Can I assume that is also your theory as to why they were used in Libya and Mali?

Al R 14th Feb 2014 10:46

Unmissable one off opportunity to check for pot plantation loft-space thermal plumes, declared unoccupied residences, tv licences and dodgy tax discs.

I hope that the 5 sqn xmas beer call fund gets a good price for the data. :ok:

Offenbach 14th Feb 2014 10:54

Shame it wasn't a 617 Squadron Tonka - they do have some 'previous'
with large amounts of water....

..hat, coat, door....

Cows getting bigger 14th Feb 2014 11:02

PS. apologies for the mis-ident to the 54(R) Sqn guys who seemed to be actually flying the mission.

Al R 14th Feb 2014 11:35

Always easier to be cynical or to snipe, but fair play and chapeau to them.

William and Harry lug sandbags in flooded Datchet - ITV News

Trim Stab 14th Feb 2014 12:51


It's not just the amazing technology or unparalleled view from the air that provides such a jaw-dropping capability from a fast jet. The real magic is provided by the Imagery Analysts that can pick-out key information that cannot be replicated by anyone who has not undergone years of training:
I am sure it can provide an amazing images - but how useful are they in planning flood response and defence? Can the images be used to produce accurate topographical maps? Does the RAF even have the processing capability to make topographic maps with the data? Can the radar technology see through vegetation and map the ground contours underneath (something that LIDAR can do)?

My best guess is that it can't do these things as it was designed with different objectives. If it just takes detailed 2D images without rectification to a datum (e.g. WGS84) then I can't see it being very useful for flood response planning.

Lots of good PR for the RAF though!

Ventre A Terre 14th Feb 2014 13:39

JTO. Check your PM's please.

kintyred 14th Feb 2014 14:21

It's a shame that there are no satellites monitoring the UK....must be the only part of the planet with no coverage.

Al R 14th Feb 2014 15:00

This GR4 crew is taking the low level recce requirements a bit far though.

Http://www.echelonwealthcare.co.uk/s...ploads/gr4.bmp

Rakshasa 14th Feb 2014 15:08

Are they stalking that panda in the bedroom window? Must've heard about the giraffe...

CoffmanStarter 14th Feb 2014 15:10

"Slightly below glide path ... adjust you're rate if decent" ;)

Al Murdoch 14th Feb 2014 16:02

Would it be unreasonable to suggest that they should park up their Sentinals and Tornados, jump in a tilly and join in with the boys and girls lugging sandbags around the countryside? That might actually be a useful contribution.


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