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SARF 9th May 2014 03:18

Look at the crap coming out of that Russian tug.does no one care about emissions anymore ;)

TEEEJ 9th May 2014 05:45

More images at following link.


As well as the Kuznetsov, the task group included the Kirov Class nuclear powered battle cruiser Pyotr Velikiy; three tankers; Segey Osipov, Kama and Dubna; one Ocean-going Tug Altay and the Landing Support Ship Minsk.
Royal Navy sails to meet Russian Task Group | Royal Navy


MURMANSK, May 8 (RIA Novosti) – A group of warships from Russia’s Northern Fleet led by the aircraft-carrying cruiser Admiral Kuznetsov entered the English Channel Thursday, the head of the Western Military District’s press service for the Northern Fleet told RIA Novosti.

According to Captain of the 1st Class Vadim Serga, the group will soon pass into the North Sea, before proceeding into the northeast Atlantic.

“During the transition through the English Channel the Russian ships will hold celebrations dedicated to the 69th anniversary of Victory Day,” Serga said.
While passing through the Atlantic, the crews of the Admiral Kuznetsov and the heavy nuclear guided-missile cruiser Petr Velikiy will carry out joint training exercises with naval aviators, a difficult task due to the strong cyclonic activity typical in northern latitudes.

In the waters of the North Atlantic, the crews of the Northern Fleet warships will perform complex combat training and air defense exercises.
The Petr Velikiy spent more than six months in the Mediterranean Sea. The crew took part in 13 operations ensuring the safety of the transportation of Syrian chemical weapons.

The Admiral Kuznetsov stayed in the Mediterranean Sea for more than three and a half months. During their time at sea, aviators gained considerable experience in operating from an aircraft carrier. The Northern Fleet ships are expected to arrive at their home ports by the end of May.
Russian Aircraft Carrier Group Enters English Channel | Defense | RIA Novosti

The Daily Mail has larger images.

The Cold War really IS back: Russian aircraft carrier group full of Soviet-era ships escorted through the English Channel by state-of-the-art Royal Navy destroyer | Mail Online

500N 9th May 2014 06:02

"Look at the crap coming out of that Russian tug.does no one care about emissions anymore ;)"


Give then a ticket for pollution !

That is sure to get Putin fired up ;)

Wensleydale 9th May 2014 07:49

"I don't believe that most RADAR carrying aircraft would have much trouble finding surface vessels!"


Many years ago, a Shackleton AEW was tasked to give voicetel broadcast of the air picture to a covert NATO fleet which would be completely silent during their transit through waters off the NW coast of Scotland. We duly turned up and in the position reported by int was the said number of ships on radar. 8 (very long) hours later we went home not having spoken to anyone other than the blind broadcast into the ether on the planned frequencies.


It was only after we got back to Lossie did we see the late signal that had cancelled the exercise and that the ships would not be there: we had just spent 8 hors giving the air picture to the Russian fishing fleet which just happened to be in the same area to be used by the Navy.


Party Animal 9th May 2014 08:16


I don't believe that most RADAR carrying aircraft would have much trouble finding surface vessels!"




Wensleydale - an excellent example of the difference between 'most' radars capabilities and one bulit specifically for the job. So, yes, an aircraft weather radar can give you a blip on a screen to tell you that something is out there (such as the E190 in a Dominie and C-130). However, a radar designed for the job will give you an image, outline, accurate length etc. and quickly sort out the wheat from the chaff.

Something like the radars that will be found in Multi-Mission Aircraft such as the P-8 Poseidon!

HAS59 9th May 2014 08:49

proper radar for the job
 
as PM noted some time ago...

"It was internationally accepted that an MPA would make no more than 3 passes."

The rules of the rather oddly named 'Run of Three' were kept to by us - but not by them. I have the photos showing Soviet, and later Russian May MPA's getting significantly closer and lower to RN ships.

And ...

... whilst 18 Group kept within the rules, the rest of Strike Command did not.

I was on a Jaguar squadron in Norway when we did a 12 aircraft 'mock attack' on a passing Russian Udaloy destroyer. The ship's captain was genuinely impressed as a message was sent to the recce Jaguar which followed on to get some photos. The point of this?

RAF Jaguars had no radar and therefore no hope of finding the ship, they were cued onto the correct 'target' by the Norwegian P-3 who was keeping tabs on it.

You need the right kind of radar for the job.

gr4techie 9th May 2014 14:01


we had just spent 8 hors giving the air picture to the Russian fishing fleet which just happened to be in the same area to be used by the Navy.
Were they real Russian fishing boats or did one or two of them have a lot more aerials and photography fanatics than usual and fishing for intelligence?
http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...g=5850,1215223


However, a radar designed for the job will give you an image, outline, accurate length etc. and quickly sort out the wheat from the chaff.
Good pun :-)

Wensleydale 9th May 2014 15:18

"Were they real Russian fishing boats or did one or two of them have a lot more aerials and photography fanatics than usual and fishing for intelligence?"


Given the nature of the planned activity in the area, I am sure that a couple of them may have been Phishing rather than fishing.


I have tried, unsuccessfully, to find a cartoon that appeared in a series by Larry about submarines many years ago (published in Punch I think). It showed a Soviet fishing boat healing over badly while being viewed from the conning tower of a RN submarine. One Brit officer is remarking to the other "Now they're in trouble - they've caught some fish by mistake".




If I remember, the standard AGIs and Tugs used to sit between the microwave aerials that transmitted the RAP over Link 1 around Europe (Link 1 being insecure).


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