Navy shadows Russian warship off Moray coast
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Navy shadows Russian warship off Moray coast
From the Scotsman on Sunday:
Navy shadows Russian warship off Moray coast - The Scotsman
>>THE Royal Navy was believed to be shadowing at least one Russian naval vessel off the coast of Scotland last night after it sailed near the Moray Firth while on exercise in the North Sea.
. . . The Russian military news agency Interfax-AVN reported at the time that the fleet was on route to Syria and took shelter in the Moray Firth when faced with deteriorating weather conditions. *However, some *commentators *believe that the country is *testing Britain’s response times to such an incursion<<
Are they doing this to test our response times?
Navy shadows Russian warship off Moray coast - The Scotsman
>>THE Royal Navy was believed to be shadowing at least one Russian naval vessel off the coast of Scotland last night after it sailed near the Moray Firth while on exercise in the North Sea.
. . . The Russian military news agency Interfax-AVN reported at the time that the fleet was on route to Syria and took shelter in the Moray Firth when faced with deteriorating weather conditions. *However, some *commentators *believe that the country is *testing Britain’s response times to such an incursion<<
Are they doing this to test our response times?
i rather doubt that they have no interest whatsoever in what information we might pass their way while they happen to be in the neighbourhood...
it may well be true that they sought shelter from bad weather in the Moray Firth, that does not however mean needed to, or indeed that they didn't fancy a look at how effective our maritime capabilities are after the loss of Nimrod...
it may well be true that they sought shelter from bad weather in the Moray Firth, that does not however mean needed to, or indeed that they didn't fancy a look at how effective our maritime capabilities are after the loss of Nimrod...
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There was also a rumour a few months back of a Russian sub off the Hebrides. Sadly (should that be embarrassingly) we don't have any way of knowing one way or another!
LJ, i meant more in the direction of whether we were looking, rather than whether we could see in terms of capability.
we have formidable maritime capabilities, what would interest the Russians - and anyone else - is how we use them, their readiness states, their availabity to maritime rather than land, or air dominance.
they have wikipedia, they do not - one hopes - have CAS/CNS's instructions on what to do if a Russian warship turns up without an invite.
we have formidable maritime capabilities, what would interest the Russians - and anyone else - is how we use them, their readiness states, their availabity to maritime rather than land, or air dominance.
they have wikipedia, they do not - one hopes - have CAS/CNS's instructions on what to do if a Russian warship turns up without an invite.
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Considering the numpty's we have had in Govt over the last ten years or so, the err 'percieved' political leaning of some parts of the civil service and the actions of that ultra 'Grade A' village idiot Snowden (who, IMHO should be on top of someones 'black' to do list) I would be really surprised if they did NOT have CAS/CNS's instructions and we would be somewhat lacking to assume otherwise.
Considering the numpty's we have had in Govt over the last ten years or so, the err 'percieved' political leaning of some parts of the civil service and the actions of that ultra 'Grade A' village idiot Snowden (who, IMHO should be on top of someones 'black' to do list) I would be really surprised if they did NOT have CAS/CNS's instructions and we would be somewhat lacking to assume otherwise.
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It was internationally accepted that an MPA would make no more than 3 passes. It was also agreed as to height and distance. It was not unknown for an official complaint to be sent through diplomatic channels if we pushed it.
OTOH I have reported a Soviet vessel inside 2 miles of the shore but, as far as we know, no action resulted.
Be kind of hard to "shadow" more than one wouldn't it?
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SASLess, I don't understand your point.
Read that quote again.
And I don't understand the later post either. Of course they are giving/sending a message. We did.
The RAF has no maritime patrol aircraft and the Royal Navy has no conventional ocean-going vessels based in Scotland
And I don't understand the later post either. Of course they are giving/sending a message. We did.
Last edited by Pontius Navigator; 22nd Dec 2013 at 14:56.
Why is you all think they might be collecting or taking....and not giving or sending?
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Not sure any "action" was warranted, unless said ships were deemed to be doing something other than "innocent passage"
Territorial waters, or a territorial sea, as defined by the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea,[1] is a belt of coastal waters extending at most 12 nautical miles (22.2 km; 13.8 mi) from the baseline (usually the mean low-water mark) of a coastal state. The territorial sea is regarded as the sovereign territory of the state, although foreign ships (both military and civilian) are allowed innocent passage through it
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Not sure any "action" was warranted, unless said ships were deemed to be doing something other than "innocent passage"
Territorial waters, or a territorial sea, as defined by the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea,[1] is a belt of coastal waters extending at most 12 nautical miles (22.2 km; 13.8 mi) from the baseline (usually the mean low-water mark) of a coastal state. The territorial sea is regarded as the sovereign territory of the state, although foreign ships (both military and civilian) are allowed innocent passage through it
Nick
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Nick, it was not on passage except in the very broadest terms. It was the Sorum tug, prepositioned in case a submarine got in difficulties. While it was only an ATR and not an AGI, it was only a few miles from Saxa.
I believe it was not unknown for them to pop ashore for whiskey and fresh food; being Scotland I am not sure if they got fresh veg.
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Another export up there was Lada spares ordered off Exchange and Mart.
I believe it was not unknown for them to pop ashore for whiskey and fresh food; being Scotland I am not sure if they got fresh veg.
PS,
Another export up there was Lada spares ordered off Exchange and Mart.
Russian Navy Tug Nikolay Chiker is currently on AIS
During 15 GMT noted off the Norwegian Coast
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Nikolay Chiker is part of the Task Group supporting the carrier Admiral Kuznetsov.
Aircraft carriers of Russia's Northern Fleet head to Atlantic and Mediterranean Sea | Russia Beyond The Headlines
Russian Navy Tanker Osipov during 15 GMT
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OSIPOV - Unspecified: current position and details | MMSI 273546000, Callsign | Registered in Russia - AIS Marine Traffic
During 15 GMT noted off the Norwegian Coast
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Nikolay Chiker is part of the Task Group supporting the carrier Admiral Kuznetsov.
"The naval group includes the heavy aircraft carrying cruiser Soviet Union Fleet Admiral Kuznetsov, the large anti-submarine ship Admiral Levchenko, the large assault ship Olenegorsky Gornyak, as well as support vessels such as the rescue towboat Nikolai Chiker and the tankers Sergei Osipov and Kama," the Northern Fleet's spokesman, Captain 1st Rank Vadim Serga, told Interfax-AVN on Tuesday.
Russian Navy Tanker Osipov during 15 GMT
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OSIPOV - Unspecified: current position and details | MMSI 273546000, Callsign | Registered in Russia - AIS Marine Traffic
Last edited by TEEEJ; 24th Dec 2013 at 14:49.
Russian Navy Tanker Osipov is now in the Moray Firth. Tug Nikolay Chiker is likely heading for the area? Looks like the Admiral Kuznetsov Group is going to pay another visit as per 2011?
OSIPOV - Unspecified: current position and details | MMSI 273546000, Callsign | Registered in Russia - AIS Marine Traffic
Vessel Itineraries - AIS Marine Traffic
NIKOLAY CHIKER - Tug: current position and details | IMO 8613334, MMSI 273543910, Callsign UHSS | Registered in Russia - AIS Marine Traffic
Vessel Itineraries - AIS Marine Traffic
OSIPOV - Unspecified: current position and details | MMSI 273546000, Callsign | Registered in Russia - AIS Marine Traffic
Vessel Itineraries - AIS Marine Traffic
NIKOLAY CHIKER - Tug: current position and details | IMO 8613334, MMSI 273543910, Callsign UHSS | Registered in Russia - AIS Marine Traffic
Vessel Itineraries - AIS Marine Traffic
