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Having described the shock and horror over how good the MIG15 was, some shots of neatly parked and clearly roundelled Canadair Sabres passed without comment.
Numerous shots of the Comet were shown but it would have been nice to see at least one shot of the world's first jet airliner to fly. |
GBZ - You mean the Nene Viking?
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Originally Posted by aviate1138
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Always there has to be bias....... How many RAF pilots flew U-2s and later iterations and how many USAF?
The implication in the Documentary was that the RAF did the lions share which has to be untrue surely? Also no B-47s or B-36 footage or did I nod off? Agree about the Jet Provost [including smily presenter] footage being far too long. RB-45 footage from Sculthorpe was excellent. DH110 footage brought back some buried memories of the screams as the wreckage hit the crowded slopes behind my viewpoint. There was B52 footage but more as a scene setter. |
Just hope the next one is not all about the V Force! Need to see some Lightning footage! |
On the DH110 crash, I wonder if that stopped any export potential or were the Javelin and Sea Vixen too advanced for export where the night fighter threat was not seen as great?
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I thought, on the whole, not a bad start ... I do agree the JP piece was a little out of place. Would have liked to have seen more on the Canberra.
Looking forward to next week ... Plenty of AD Lightning action please, in addition to the expected V Force ops :ok: |
All these ideas maybe there should be a PPrune Productions company, to make a sequel, with all the bits we old guys would like to see though watering eyes..............I'll get my coat
(yes and more Canberras, and where was aunty Betty's best toy, the Gnat.) |
newt
I received an email from the LPG at Bruntingthorpe informing me that the team had spent a day with them up there.
In the trail at the end of part 1 was a rearward facing view from a camera on the fuselage of XS904 with is blasting down the runway at Brunty with afterburners engaged... |
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Thanks T one. I know they were with the boys at the LPG so look forward to some footage of the Lightning.:ok:
We are trying to save 713 which is at Leuchars and move it to Wattisham to join others in the museum. She is the last complete Mk 3 and spent a lot of time on 111 Squadron. Any donations would be great and details can be found on the Tremblers website and the LPG website!:ok: |
The bit showing next weeks programme had shots of the Brunty lightning doing reheat runs down the runway with cameras attached to it filming it from the outside, looked awesome.
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Good luck with that newt
One can never have too much Lightning footage, and with a bit of interspersed V Force action (no doubt featuring Cuba) it is something I am looking forward to viewing next week. |
To be technically correct the Nene Lancastrian was the first jet aircraft to carry passengers in 1946...
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GBJ - That will be the one. Always thought it a bit incongruous - jet engines and that tubby fuselage.
LJ - But ISTR it still had piston engines in the inboard nacelles, so was not a "pure" jet. (Mods - is it worth amalgamating this and the similar thread on AH & N) |
Wander00
The Merlins were shut down and feathered when running on the jets... First to fly was Lancastrian VH742, delivered to the Rolls-Royce flight development airfield at Hucknall in October 1945. Its outer Merlin engines were removed and the nacelles were also taken away, while the fuel system was completely rebuilt to carry both gasoline for the inner engines and kerosine for the new jets. In the outer positions were added completely new nacelles housing Nene turbojets, then the most powerful jet engines in the world. It flew again on August 14, 1946 with two Merlins and two Nenes. On September 19, 1946 this aircraft acted as the world's first jet airliner by making three passenger flights carrying representatives of the Press as well as Ministry officials and other passengers (who were all most impressed and suggested that an airline that could offer jet travel would be the talk of the world). Rolls-Royce also flew a second Nene-Lancastrian, VH737, and two Avon-Lancastrians, VM732 and VL970. The latter was used for almost six years, its later flying being concentrated on the Avon 502 civil turbojet for the Comet 2 airliner. |
aviate1138
U-2 Pilots from 1955 to 2000 Test Pilots = 15 CIA Pilots = 30 RAF Pilots = 15 CAF Pilots = 29 USAF Pilots= 645 Total = 734 (CAF = nationalist Chinese Air Force - Taiwan) Pontius Navigator Rex Saunders did the original "Spies in the Sky" documentary with the late great John Crampton, so Auntie would still have his details. Eric Brown has done a few documentaries for the Beeb, so again they would have retained his details. |
OK LB, I give in....W
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Plonking review in the loss-making Grauniad, including (classic) mis-identification of a Vampire/Venom as a Victor.
Cold War, Hot Jets ? TV review | Television & radio | The Guardian |
YK ... :ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:
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As I feared the footage accompanying the program was inappropriate. It would have made far more sense to have shown the Meteor in the role of a fighter than standing by a T7 and droning on. Some of the purported MiG-15 footage showed the Lavochkin La-17. No mention of the Jet Provost being a development of the Leonides Provost. Why oh why can't the TV companies (especially the BBC) bother to employ an expert to find the right footage? Somebody who served in the ROC perhaps? All in all the program was a disappointment - but are we surprised?
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It was still head and shoulders above the norm.
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Fed up with the totally unneccessary too-far-in-the-foreground music.
When are we going to get some presenters who do not act ( and sometimes sound like ) hysterical puppies. Feeling unusually generous - 4 / 10 Perhaps try the next instalment with the sound muted out. |
I loved it, having been a schoolboy on the south coast in the 1950s.
Spotter's paradise, the location and the time. And the programme too. WIWAMM When I Was A Met Man of course. |
When I Was A Met Man
Forerunner of "When I was a rich man"?
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Nutloose, agree.
Diesel Addict, it had sound? :) Apart from the presenter prattling on, bring back the likes of Raymond Baxter, any music passed right by me. |
How odd!! - did nobody else catch the instances given of the Septics doing their best to cause problems for an ally's aero-industry which had helpfully provided them with early gas turbine experimental and manufactured products?? :mad: Perhaps I was watching something else - it does happen occasionally nowadays:sad:
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comfortable, comfortable only.
HOVE! from whence I spotted doodlebugs, mosquitos, spitfires, typhoons, tempests, the D-day halifax and Stirling tugs with gliders [and Albemarle?] the Wyvern, Princess, Brabazon, Hunter, Swift and a hundred others. And a bike ride to Miles Aviation at Shoreham Airport. Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive, But to be young was very heaven!--Oh! times ......... |
Instances?
I suppose its a bit like breathing. We get so used to it that we don't even notice after a while. Comet, don't export it, but we will export the 707 (were that type of engine used on a long range bomber?) Concorde, too loud for us. But we will build something bigger and faster (but failed) There is another contender, but I'm not brave enough the mention THAT aircraft. |
Viprods
U-2 Pilots from 1955 to 2000 Test Pilots = 15 CIA Pilots = 30 RAF Pilots = 15 CAF Pilots = 29 USAF Pilots= 645 Total = 734 |
langleybaston,
Shoreham Airport, nice place but I would loved to have seen the place when it was at it's peak. Only been down here for the last 10 years or so. My mother hated doodlebugs but when living in South London at the age of 12 I can understand that. She did tell me that one dropped a couple of hundred yards behind the house on the other side of the road but her only memory of it was seeing the owners grandfather clock upright on the footpath near the gate after being blown though the front door still in a reasonable state. Would liked to have seen the aircraft going off to the invasion and I understand the Operation Market Garden fleet passed near there as well and was a sight to behold. Not too far away around Rottingdean and Falmer was a tank training area. Quite often when working for the Police I took calls of UXB's which were often inert training rounds but so discoloured and rusty they had to be treated as real. |
They (Classic Airforce) shot the JP footage themselves from a PA 28 and presented it to the BBC, suprised no ones mentioned the pins still in on the face blinds, I suppose the seats must be inert on it.
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As I feared the footage accompanying the program was inappropriate CG |
nimbev,
Mt St Helens caused some grief for the company I worked for at the time (Transamerica Airlines) although glad to say HQ dealt with that area, we at Gatwick dealt with Europe and the Middle East. One of our L-382's took off from Mcloud AFB and within 15-20 mins had lost two engines and suffered "sand blasting" effects on the leading edges and windscreen. They landed back at Mcloud within 10 mins and of the other two engines one needed to be replaced as well. |
Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 8143852)
They (Classic Airforce) shot the JP footage themselves from a PA 28 and presented it to the BBC, suprised no ones mentioned the pins still in on the face blinds, I suppose the seats must be inert on it.
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Well I thoroughly enjoyed it. James Holland always comes across as a historian who is an aviation enthusiast rather than just another journo who has no affinity with the subject. I look forward to part 2.
(I particularly enjoyed the posh old biddy who 'rushed inside' to tell everyone she had seen an aeroplane without a propellor!) |
I suppose the seats must be inert on it A very good programme in my view as it had at least one item in it that I wasn't aware of in the US trying to stop the export of the Comet (and I could have written most of the script for it off the top of my head). However having researched the Files at kew about the export of Bloodhound to the Swedes and Swiss, I was aware that the US tried to stop the export of the Mk 2 to the Swiss on technical transfer grounds. The guys at the FCO were quite clear in the documents that it was purely sour grapes on the part the Septics seeing that they had already cleared the Swedish deal. |
Originally Posted by MAINJAFAD
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researched the Files at kew about the export of Bloodhound to the Swedes and Swiss, I was aware that the US tried to stop the export of the Mk 2 to the Swiss on technical transfer grounds. The guys at the FCO were quite clear in the documents that it was purely sour grapes on the part the Septics seeing that they had already cleared the Swedish deal.
Prior to the V-force switching to low level I saw maps with eastbound routing over France, Switzerland and Austria. Post the switch to low level the routing was over Sweden. |
Rosevidney, you ask "why?".
Probably because journalists tend to come in just one flavour; sloppy and sour - the difference between the BBC and the appalling grauniad is thus pretty small. |
If you look closely at the footage of the JP front end, the bang seat triangle cleary has Inert written on it. |
Good point nimbev, I was given a list of names & ranks of military pilots plus the Lockheed test pilots that flew the U-2, from a SR-71 pilot. So presumably the NASA pilots had not been included on that list.
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