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Motleycallsign 14th Oct 2013 08:49

IIRC AVM John Howe was Staish in '73 when I first arrived there.

Rocket2 14th Oct 2013 09:33

Atom
Bob Bickers is still going strong & can be seen at Lasham I believe.

Collia 14th Oct 2013 09:46

Does the VIP “loo “in the TWR merit a mentioning?!

BAengineer 20th Oct 2018 01:48

RAF Gutersloh
 
Great little video about the airfield today - rather sad to see it in its present decay as I spent many happy hours there (in the Malcolm club :ok:)

it is on Youtube so if you search for Inside The British Forces Germany Base Closed To The Public For Decades
you should find it..

MPN11 20th Oct 2018 11:07

have one on me ....

NutLoose 20th Oct 2018 12:58

Let's not forget Bruggen 14 Sqn Jag.....Bomb Dump,,,,,, and 17 Jag sites


NutLoose 20th Oct 2018 13:02


QRA and 20 Jag

NutLoose 20th Oct 2018 13:05

What an utter waste!

Chugalug2 20th Oct 2018 16:01

Nutloose:-

What an utter waste!
Why? These bases kept the peace in the Cold War and by their very presence prevented it becoming a Hot War. They proved also that the UK is a good friend of Europe and will remain so whatever the future of the EU might be. Their fate is far less of an utter waste to this country than the RAF Stations that closed in the UK, in my case; RAFs Oakington, Thorney Island, Colerne, Lyneham, and Fairford.

MPN11 20th Oct 2018 18:09

The past is a distant place. These places were of their time, not this one. Yes, in common with many I regret their passing, but they existed for a purpose THEN ... not NOW.

NutLoose 20th Oct 2018 18:32


Originally Posted by Chugalug2 (Post 10287929)
Nutloose:-


Why? These bases kept the peace in the Cold War and by their very presence prevented it becoming a Hot War. They proved also that the UK is a good friend of Europe and will remain so whatever the future of the EU might be. Their fate is far less of an utter waste to this country than the RAF Stations that closed in the UK, in my case; RAFs Oakington, Thorney Island, Colerne, Lyneham, and Fairford.

Chug I mean as in not repurposed.

kaitakbowler 20th Oct 2018 18:40

Güt in the early eighties, CMC of the Sgts mess (my boss) declares that he intends to sell 50,000 tickets , at DM1 each, for the christmas draw, which he does, selling the last ticket on the night. Prizes included the usual car, cruise, holiday and numerous white goods. Following year, no longer CMC he chairs the draw committee, and declares the target to be 60,000 tickets. Target met. 2 cars, cruise, inflatable boat/outboard, and the NAFFI manager moved most of his white goods stock into the mess for the night so as tickets were sold on the night another washer/dryer/dishwasher could be bought out as the tickets were sold.

Best mess ever, a wide spread of ages and experiences. Helped me to build a brilliant contacts book.

PM

Onceapilot 20th Oct 2018 18:51


Originally Posted by MPN11 (Post 10287993)
Yes, in common with many I regret their passing, but they existed for a purpose THEN ... not NOW.

Not so sure that they should be left to totally rot. Most FW combat aircraft still need substantial runways and decent hardened protection. Just having these bases available gives lots of options for short notice deployment. They don't need full upkeep, just enough to be usable. Keeping them usable gives any potential aggressor a whole headache of targets that need covering and, if most are empty, the headache gets worse. The same tactic would be wise to use here in UK but, seems that the logic is lost on the beancounters. Go on, who thinks that BZN would survive 5 mins into any serious confrontation and, if you don't think that is possible, why do we have any capability at all? :oh:

OAP

Cows getting bigger 20th Oct 2018 21:44

At 7388ft (2252m) Gütersloh was never a 'substantial' runway.

(Funny how you can remember pointless trivia after 30+ years) :)

MPN11 21st Oct 2018 08:53

Onceapilot ... I agree 100% with the concept, but sadly the Treasury wouldn't see it that way.

Onceapilot 21st Oct 2018 09:29


Originally Posted by Cows getting bigger (Post 10288109)
At 7388ft (2252m) Gütersloh was never a 'substantial' runway.

Was big enough for me! :ok:

OAP

Onceapilot 21st Oct 2018 09:41


Originally Posted by MPN11 (Post 10288345)
Onceapilot ... I agree 100% with the concept, but sadly the Treasury wouldn't see it that way.

Well, with our very expensive eggs in few baskets, they are wide open to easy targeting. Let's see, carrier/F-35-vulnerable to nuke due low collateral at sea, same low nuke collateral, possibly, for Coningsby, Marham, Lossie, and Kinloss.:oh: Brize, not hardened, soft targets all squeezed-in for blast/frag missiles. Also vulnerable to SF. :\

OAP

MPN11 21st Oct 2018 09:51

OAP, again I agree. My time as Wg Cdr STO in MB was spent in trying to address such issues. Getting anyone upstairs interested in spending money on potential solutions was a major obstacle!

Chugalug2 21st Oct 2018 10:38

Oops, we may have spoken in haste. With the INF Treaty now being fed into the shredder it looks as if a return to the good ole days is on the cards. Time perhaps to consider dispersing our assets once again. Now let's see, oh....wait....

MPN11 21st Oct 2018 10:59

I'm sure I have an NBC suit somewhere in the Attic. :)


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