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Dick Allen 11th May 2013 07:47

tiger_mate

Knowing well your artist's attention to detail, I'm pretty sure you didn't mix up the two flying badges illustrated at Post No 54.

Volunteer officers supporting the Air Cadet Organisation are commissioned into the RAFVR(T), and as such, are subject to AFA 06.

If you have more details of those allegedly wearing flying badges to which they are not entitled - even on No 5 HD - please PM me with details, and I will ensure they are "appropriately counselled on their error of judgement"!

VMT

DA

Wander00 11th May 2013 08:50

You could of course suggest he joins PPrune and sees this thread - might get the message...I'll get my coat..........

BOAC 11th May 2013 08:54

That's assuming he is not here already and picking up 'bull****' as he goes along.:)

Courtney Mil 11th May 2013 09:59


But no offset TACAN, the Gnat student's friend
Naa, Mate. Point-to-point on the HSI. Bread and butter. :ok:

BOAC 11th May 2013 10:19

A few years back I had the ?pleasure? of sitting next to a LHR BA FO in a restaurant in Napoli (a rare piece of 'sub-species mixing':)) who apparently had spent a whole year flying with the Red Arrows in EXACTLY the same cockpit as a chap I know - and he never noticed. Said bull****ter also claimed to have flown Lightings and Concorde. Probably a Captain now with ISS time. It's amazing what some people think they can get away with.

Al-bert 11th May 2013 10:52

A couple of years after I'd hung up the helmet I was chatting to a guy down at the harbour who was interested in buying a yacht. He didn't want too expensive a yacht since, as his wife said, his first love was 'aviating' (his words too!). My colleague with whom I was working mentioned that I too had been an 'aviator' and he proceeded to inform me that he knew several RAF pilots really well and I might know them. He dropped a couple of names....I pointed out that I was one of those names (and later recalled that I'd shown him around the A/C once during a refuel at the local airfield). He was memorable because I'd never seen so many badges on a flying suit - not even at Culdrose! :cool:

Wander00 11th May 2013 11:05

Gnat, offset TACAN - great memories. Found a photo on the net of Gnat going round (and down) the Lllyn Ogwen turn - sent it to my sons (41,40 and 24) and said that was what the old man had done in his youth - didn't believe me, but quite impressed I am solo in glider again after 45 years!

Whenurhappy 11th May 2013 11:37

London Gazette
 
Sorry for being boring, but I've just spent about 30 minutes trying to find my entries in the Gazette. The most recent one was a change of Commission in 1990 - no subsequent promotions, change of Branch etc listed. (I'm still serving...).

Does anyone know when the RAF stopped listing in the Gazette? It has been an invaluable source for tracing family histories, along with the Single Service lists that used to be available in public libraries. The RAF List is now a excel spreadsheet, only available on DII, and, as ever, full of inaccuracies. In years to come, it will become increasingly difficult to obtain information on forbears (or for academic research) from authoritative sources.

Stuff 11th May 2013 11:43

It must be down to someone in manning sending (or not) the data to the Gazette. When I look myself up I see my University Cadetship in the late 90s through IOT graduation, all the time-based promotions and a very recent promotion a few months ago.

My change of branch is missing but was this ever shown for anyone?

Whenurhappy 11th May 2013 11:51

I set the filters wide and even tried with the occasional variation in the spelling of my name...but to no avail. It's a conspiracy, I tell ya!

Roland Pulfrew 11th May 2013 12:00

When

Have you tried your service number? I just did mine in the search function on the Gazette home page and it found all of my promotions including the last one in 07. Tried searching for a few mates and found one who was promoted in Jan 12.

Whenurhappy 11th May 2013 12:11

<embarrassed face>

Um, yes, Service number (or staff number, according to JPA) seems to work, but some of the pages are truncated, but I put that down to viewing on iPad ...:\

tmmorris 11th May 2013 12:12

Service number seems to be the way forward, even worked for me (VRT).

Of course we are all (quite rightly) listed as Fg Offs regardless of acting rank. When did honours start to be listed as acting ranks? Until recently any VRT getting an honour (e.g. for 30+ years in service) was listed as Fg Off, but recently I've seen Wg Cdrs and Sqn Ldrs. As there are no substantive ranks above Fg Off in the VRT this seems a bit waltish.

Tim

Always Up 11th May 2013 12:20

Start by stop prating about - grow a pair and just ask the dude outright. If he was in the service he would appreciate the frankness.

airborne_artist 11th May 2013 12:26


11th May 2013 12:20 Start by stop prating about - grow a pair and just ask the dude outright. If he was in the service he would appreciate the frankness.
He did:


10th May 2013, 23:55 Evening gents

Update: Our mystery man was confronted and now admits that he was UAS and the Hawk stick time was back seat and once only (apparently, it was the ride of a lifetime...)

I also (subtly) checked colleagues plus the on-file CV - no inflated RAF claims, so no risk to the wider project.

Our hero is chastened and knows that he is under scrutiny. Case closed.

Thank you all for your kind advice and PMs.
;)

Always Up 11th May 2013 13:03


Originally Posted by airborne_artist (Post 7837218)
He did:



;)

Oops - my bad , fair dinkum!, nothing to see here move on :cool:

Al R 11th May 2013 13:09

Gulp. From yesterday.

BBC News - Fake airline pilot 'landed planes at Gatwick'

BOAC 11th May 2013 13:24

Any USAF know the guy or is that a Walt' outing too?

CoffmanStarter 11th May 2013 13:39

Mind you BOAC this guy has been flying for a National Carrier and hasn't been rumbled yet :E

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BOAC 11th May 2013 14:48

I think I flew with HER..............

wiggy 11th May 2013 14:52

BOAC
 

A few years back I had the ?pleasure? of sitting next to a LHR BA FO in a restaurant in Napoli ..... who apparently had spent a whole year flying with the Red Arrows....

Ooooh, that might well ring bells with a few folk around here - if it's who think it is he's toned his act down a bit, and whilst he is a captain now I don't think even he has dared put ISS on his CV.

Megaton 11th May 2013 14:59


toned his act down a bit
I don't think he's mentioned his time on the Reds for a while but I wouldn't exactly describe his attitude as "toned down."

BOAC 11th May 2013 15:06

We talking "night****? ?:)

Megaton 11th May 2013 15:12

Perhaps we are........

BOAC 11th May 2013 15:41

When you next see him, in all his glory, ask him which positions he flew and which years. I'd be interested. There are a few Lightning drivers around here who would be interested in that part of his career too. We had a tosser F/O in Astraeus who claimed he was the only civilian Harrier pilot....................... The other F/Os (who he regularly whip-lashed) were desperate for him to be rostered with me but we never managed it.

Genstabler 11th May 2013 15:47

To be kind, he may have been a winged holdee. The Reds usually have 2 or 3 attached for up to a year who help out and technically could be described as flying with them.

BOAC 11th May 2013 15:59


To be kind
- a nice gesture, but I suspect you do not know him?:)

5aday 11th May 2013 16:01

BOAC- that chap in BA must have been a night mare?

BOAC 11th May 2013 16:17

I think 'no comment' is appropriate.;)

Bubblewindow 11th May 2013 16:21


There are a few Lightning drivers around here who would be interested in that part of his career too
A guy in my class of recruits (now a captain with an American airline) claimed to have flown in the rear seat of his uncles Lightning before joining up.
"The rear seat?" , I said. "They (the T's) were side by side!
"We'll this one was one of a few tandem ones"
He even went on to describe (quite convincingly) how they ran up the Irish Sea at Mach 1, skimming the waves and dodging headlands before a flameout and restart and landing at Woodford!
He should have written novels .

I on the other hand, am quite proud of the 1hr 20 mins on the Hawk in my logbook :E

BW

5aday 11th May 2013 16:32

I once had the pleasure of tipping a whole table load of green and red chilies in the oh so hot soup he ordered for everyone during a night stop in KL. in fact I had to tip some soup out to get all the chillies in.He insisted on ordering for everyone and after several beers he needed the boys room. When he came back he told me that the soup he ordered would be too hot for me. He lost his voice -

for once...........

Pontius Navigator 11th May 2013 20:06

Nutloose, would have thought binned was a reasonable disposal for loose nuts. :}

Danny42C 12th May 2013 00:47

Whenurhappy,

Your #88 refers. I'm a babe in arms in this internet caper. Can anyone tell me if you can get at Air Force Lists for the years 1970 - 85 any way ? I'd like to know how far some of my old mates got (I retired in '72).

Answer has to be very simple for me to understand !

Ta in advance, Danny.

Pontius Navigator 12th May 2013 20:24

Try eBay.

I found Spring 1972 and then 1995, 97, 98, 99 01, 03, 07 amongst others.

Danny42C 12th May 2013 21:29

Air Force Lists.
 
Pontius Navigator,

Thanks ! I'll have a look,

Danny.

Union Jack 12th May 2013 22:51

I think I flew with HER..............

As long as that'sall you did!:)

Jack

Whenurhappy 13th May 2013 06:47

Danny42C

Large Municipal libraries will have older copies of the RAF List, albeit in the stack-room, or they can Interloan copies from other holdings.

Unless, of course, your local library has become an 'infohub@slagston borough council'* and staffed by well-meaning people with dyed hair and piercings, who have never actually worked in a real library.



*purposefully in non-discriminatory lower case

teeteringhead 13th May 2013 07:52

Danny42C

I inherited in my office copies of what I think were the last published Air Force List (2007) and Retired List (2006).

If you'd like to PM me names I can have a look for you. :ok:

Danny42C 13th May 2013 10:27

Air Force Lists
 
Whenurhappy,

Thanks ! I'll try - but it's going back a bit.

teeteringhead,

Thanks, too - but all my old mates will have retired long before that !

Danny.

teeteringhead 13th May 2013 11:12

But if they retired from more than a Short Service Commission, they will still be in the Retired List - if still alive in 2006 :eek:

And there are also some older Air Force Lists lurking in the office - not a complete set but the earliest is 1972......


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