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JFZ90 9th May 2013 20:13

interesting on wiki - clearly at 113db it was insanely loud, but they seemed on track to hit 95db at 200ft - which is massively quieter.

at these lower levels, was it still to be a dead duck?

PS is it right that a single pegasus engine failure (not unheard of in the harrier), would have been catastrophic in any non-conventional flight modes of the Do-31, and maybe in any regime? Did it ever fly with someone not in an ejector seat?

dead_pan 9th May 2013 20:14


I think Rotordyne should be revisited
Hmm - maybe. I suppose whoever's in possession of the design could license it to an enterprising Chinese aerospace company to see if they could make anything of it.

John Farley 9th May 2013 22:05

dead_ pan

To get on the wheel you had to fly (or at least try).

dead_pan 9th May 2013 22:40


Nowadays you'd have to find a 'killer application' for the Rotodyne to be resurrected and there simply doesn't seem to be one.
Re the killer app, have a look for the Flight article to which I referred. The Eurocopter head was talking about large capacity VTOL flying short-haul routes as an alternative to building additional runway capacity, with all its associated costs and timeframes.

JF - you've lost me there.

BEagle 10th May 2013 06:30

V/STOL Wheel
 

JF - you've lost me there.
According to the website:


The V/STOL Wheel is a graphic diagram of all 45 types of vertical and/or short take-off and landing (V/STOL) aircraft that had been built and tested through 1996. It was updated from the McDonnell Douglas Wheel of the 1960s for the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) Program Office.
So stillborn projects such as the Br.1030 do not appear on the Wheel.

dead_pan 10th May 2013 09:45

Ahh okay.

I suppose that Heath-Robinson-esque contraption recently built and flown by the Australian husband-and-wife team doesn't really count, as it is not an 'official' project. According to the NASA Dryden web site, the X-wing did fly but without the rotor attached.

Kerosene Kraut 10th May 2013 10:43

The Do-31? I see it as the rich man's Osprey.

ORAC 10th May 2013 10:48


1 There was no provision for keeping the hot efflux out of the intakes.

Foxxster 27th Apr 2020 07:52

New video.



Martin the Martian 27th Apr 2020 11:38

It's actually quite a good looking aircraft, with shades of Flash Gordon's War Rocket Ajax in its appearance (google it). The flexing of the wings on landing was impressive, and makes you wonder at what point the engine pods would come off.

The question I have is with regard to later Pegasus variants, which could have substituted the RB162 batteries and turned the Do 31 into a four Pegasus design, making it even more useful by not having to cart around the batteries when they were not doing anything useful. Four Mk.103s would have given over 80,000lb of thrust, as opposed to the Pegasus 5/RB162 combination as used, which gave a combined 66,000lb.

622 27th Apr 2020 12:01

Buried in that original link was this...kind of looks familiar!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VFW_VAK_191B

DirtyProp 27th Apr 2020 20:08

What about the DO 29? I always thought it was great.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dornier_Do_29

Commando Cody 28th Apr 2020 00:31


Originally Posted by Martin the Martian (Post 10764843)
It's actually quite a good looking aircraft, with shades of Flash Gordon's War Rocket Ajax in its appearance (google it). The flexing of the wings on landing was impressive, and makes you wonder at what point the engine pods would come off.

The question I have is with regard to later Pegasus variants, which could have substituted the RB162 batteries and turned the Do 31 into a four Pegasus design, making it even more useful by not having to cart around the batteries when they were not doing anything useful. Four Mk.103s would have given over 80,000lb of thrust, as opposed to the Pegasus 5/RB162 combination as used, which gave a combined 66,000lb.

Couple o' issues here.

First, this would be horribly inefficient compared to alternatives. Compromises acceptable in a fighter/attack vehicle won't do for a transport, which is what Do-31 kind of was. If FVL-Heavy or Ultra comes about, a large Tilt-Rotor would meet the cargo craft need much easier.

Second, any engine power loss would result in an instant and uncontrollable roll unless there was a very fast acting system to reduce power on the other side which would allow you to crash inn a level attitude instead. On VTOL jets that have more than one lift source (Yak-38, F-35B, etc.) if one of the lift sources goes down, the aircraft autoejects you almost instantly. Not a viable option in this type of craft.


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