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Old-Duffer 29th Mar 2013 06:52

RAF NEWS - Rag or What?
 
I have just received the latest edition of RAF News and I wonder why I bother to subscribe to such a rag.

This issue contains a report on the funeral of an RAF officer and reports that a party fired a ’21 gun salute’ – I think not. Recently, I found three glaring errors by just glancing through, on first receipt: my email to the newspaper’s editor went unanswered. A few weeks after, a photograph showing a memorial to a member of aircrew, clearly showed the aircraft involved was a Wellington but the accompanying narrative stated the pilot was flying a Lancaster – en route to the Far East in 1943 via the Middle East, by the way.

Of the three service newspapers, the RAF News is definitely the worst, despite changes and ‘improvements’ over the years. However, the standard of journalism and the proofing of articles seems to be exceptionally poor and errors of fact frequent.

Why is this the case and why does, whichever of the great and good is responsible for it, not take action and give it a jolly good shake up? Frankly, to me, it appears a poor reflection on the RAF’s PR effort and does not do justice to the service.

Old Duffer

P6 Driver 29th Mar 2013 06:56

I've always found that Soldier Magazine and Navy News are better reads and more informative than the poor RAF effort.

Two's in 29th Mar 2013 07:06

They also failed to publish my letter regarding the first swallow of summer. Outrageous.

CoffmanStarter 29th Mar 2013 07:29

OD ... The Flagship Publication the "RAF Annual Review" is no more than a glossy car showroom brochure these days IMO ... so I'm not surprised by your comments on RAF News.

But the PR People say "we're not the target audience" ... as if that's some justification for factual errors :mad:

Best ...

Coff.

Roland Pulfrew 29th Mar 2013 08:15

Rag. Definitely a rag. The RAF News has become worse than The Sun for cheesy headlines. The recent "Diamond Geezers" headline referring to the Red Arrows recent return to a nine-ship display team just made me cringe. Even more so when my RN and Army opposite numbers started taking the p!ss. TBH the paper wasn't too bad (although it still had a few cringeworthy headlines) when produced out of Innsworth, but since the move to HW it has become very "lower deck" to use a term provided by my RN office mate.

4everAD 29th Mar 2013 08:30

It's a joke of a rag. I still remember/fume about an article about a year ago which went along the lines of "good news for RAF as allowance budget is slashed". It is all PR for ex boys and girls, you don't even get the odd letter moaning about this and that any more.

BEagle 29th Mar 2013 08:47

One of the earlier successes of PPRuNe was the fact that information, which the RAF News would certainly have suppressed, began to appear in the public domain. At the time, certain not-very-but-thought-they-were senior officers moved heaven and earth trying to establish who the posters were - even trying to get RAF Plod involved....:mad:

Neptunus Rex 29th Mar 2013 08:56

I cancelled my subscription when, following swingeing Defence cuts, the RAF News carried the following banner headline:

"Leaner Force Packs Bigger Punch!"

That was in 1975.

Plus ça change....

60024 29th Mar 2013 10:40

There was a centre spread from the Jubilee flypast where the main photo was of a BBMF Hurricane taken head on from the tailgunner's turret of the Lancaster. The caption said it was a Spitfire!:ugh:

There was a 'Top Trumps' style comparison between fast jets over Afghanistan a couple of years ago. Apart from the silhouette of an F3, the claim was that the Tornado GR3 (Yes, that too!) had a top speed of Mach 2.

Naturally, my letter to the editor didn't receive a response.

Does anybody use the 'leisure time' centre section for anything?

Calling it a 'rag' is too kind.

MAD Boom 29th Mar 2013 10:56


Does anybody use the 'leisure time' centre section for anything?
Toilet paper. Why on earth should I give two hoots about what some random service person thinks the top ten tunes on their iPod are?


But the PR People say "we're not the target audience"
If we are not the target audience, why are there 20 copies of the damn thing delivered to our crew room every fortnight?

Waste of time, energy, and certainly in this day and age, money. (Especially considering there are no decent Pen Pal entries for us to laugh about these days!)

tucumseh 29th Mar 2013 11:05


One of the earlier successes of PPRuNe was the fact that information, which the RAF News would certainly have suppressed, began to appear in the public domain. At the time, certain not-very-but-thought-they-were senior officers moved heaven and earth trying to establish who the posters were - even trying to get RAF Plod involved....http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...s/censored.gif
Spot on Beagle. I've had a few visits and always found a strident "**** ***" worked. But things have changed for the better. Many in MoD now use Pprune as the source of policy ideas, and is the de facto corporate knowledge base for working out how to implement extant policies. :}

Party Animal 29th Mar 2013 11:06

I can understand the propaganda message that they are trying to convey, i.e, everything is wonderful in the RAF, to those who have no idea or to those who have a modicum of interest.

However, for those of us still serving who see the reality on a daily basis, there is a huge and growing divergence between spin and perception. If we scrapped the RAF and split our assets between Army and Navy, it would still be presented as a 'good news and success' story!

Sadly the many inaccuracies and downmarket, assumption of low readership IQ approach has compounded my view that the RAF News is no longer what it once was.

Still read it though, as they are given away free where I work. Just takes 5 minutes now from cover to cover, rather than 20 minutes, 10 years ago.

Courtney Mil 29th Mar 2013 11:11

Soft, strong and thoroughly absorbant. I can't see what any good airman could have against it. Apart from his bottom.

BEagle 29th Mar 2013 13:02

Whereas 60 years ago, there was a proper magazine published monthly. This was 'Royal Air Force Flying Review - The Journal of the Royal Air Force' which cost the princely sum of 1/- !!


When the RAF Brize Norton Education Section (which no doubt has some silly oo-rah rufty-tufty title such as 'Warfighter Enhancement Wing' these days...:rolleyes:) was having a clear out, they found a box of old 1940s-50s copies of various aviation magazines. Including the first ever Recce Journal (astonishingly no references to 'curved handrails', 'slack tracks', 'GT wheels' etc. back then...). I was asked if I'd like it, so jumped at the opportunity. Most were susbequently donated to the Yorkshire Air Museum and the Shuttleworth collection, but I kept the 2 copies of RAF Flying Review!

How CAS appeared on parade for the Coronation (from the July 1953 copy):


Perhaps the present CAS should also appear thus on State Occasions?

CoffmanStarter 29th Mar 2013 13:12

BEagle ...

That article "In the year 2004 ... an RAF Space Bomber takes off on a mission" sounds interesting ... any chance you could post a scan for us all to read :ok:

Coff.

NutLoose 29th Mar 2013 13:19

These days they tend to promote the horse over the man to high office, take Westminster for example...

BEagle 29th Mar 2013 13:35

Coff, I'll try:


Note the panel on the final page - I wonder who won the 10/6 and how the letter read!

CoffmanStarter 29th Mar 2013 13:59

Thanks BEagle ... really appreciate you posting the article :ok: What a fascinating read ...

Yep ... The winning letter must have been a hoot :ok:

Sadly the reality was (more decline) ...

RAF 2004

Best ...

Coff.

PS. Magnetic Flying Boots ... I want some ... I thought my dinghy stabber caused enough "swing" on a Chipmunk compass :eek:

davejb 29th Mar 2013 14:30

Half a guinea...
 
Come come Beagle,
this is no time for modesty...


Note the panel on the final page - I wonder who won the 10/6 and how the letter read!
...what DID your letter say?

Dave

Corrona 29th Mar 2013 14:54

Not that I'm any kind of homophobe, however it does appear as though the RAF news should have a rainbow across the top of the front page these days...just to give the casual observer some hint of what seems to fill the pages of most editions.

I keep reading in the RAF News (apparently quoting our most senior officers) about how well we're doing in our rise through the rankings of the stonewall best gay employer table. I can't help wondering how we'd figure in any 'best hetro-sexual' employer ratings table....maybe it could be the stone-henge rating!

Pontius Navigator 29th Mar 2013 15:57

I remember Hodgkinson in his report recommended that the RAF News be distributed free as part of the corporate communications strategy (before someone had invented corporate communications). Not that long after there was a big push to get us to subscribe to the extent of stopping the Messes buying just a couple of copies.

Then more recently still, Coningsby with a Service population of over 2,000 took just 20 copies. The CRO got at least 2!

Biggus 29th Mar 2013 16:13

I'm pretty sure that my section alone gets 20 copies these days....!!

Normally about 2 get looked at!

Geezers of Nazareth 29th Mar 2013 16:28


They also failed to publish my letter regarding the first swallow of summer. Outrageous.
African Swallows or European Swallows?

vascodegama 29th Mar 2013 16:43

It is not called Pravda for nothing. My letter about the use of the cattle truck C130 to transport passengers, while banning the use of the VC10 at the same time went unanswered.

CoffmanStarter 29th Mar 2013 17:05

Says it all really ...

RAF News HomePage

Pontius Navigator 29th Mar 2013 17:19

At least it does say Air Command.

pzu 29th Mar 2013 17:44

Bombing Mau Mau
 
Beagle, any chance of you posting the 'Bombing Mau Mau' article from the same issue?

I arrived in Kenya during June 1954, and I seem to remember the 'raids' were still ongoing as was the Harvard interdictions

Thanks in advance

PZU - Out of Africa (Retired)

Biggus 29th Mar 2013 17:49

Maybe a separate thread for more to appreciate/contribute to?


"Articles from the past" or some similar title?

smujsmith 29th Mar 2013 17:51

OOOPs, I did the damned survey;) I suspect my responses reflect the general trend of this thread. I always remember buying the RAF News to see if anyone I knew had been promoted, or managed to get themselves into a story worth reading. My best mate, from Halton, appeared one day on top of a Puma in Norway. I managed to get back in contact with him as a result of that. I'm definitely not liking stories about how the service is doing in the woofter ratings. I suspect I would be sorely tried in being PC enough for the "modern" RAF:rolleyes:

Wensleydale 29th Mar 2013 17:55

If anyone wants copies of said RAF Review Magazine then there are many examples for sale on a well known auction site starting at less than £1 each! (A bit less than Beagle is willing to charge).

I recently carried out some research into a mid-air collision of two Waddington Lincolns in 1949 - the best source came from an on-line copy of a review magazine from that year. They are out there somewhere!

Old-Duffer 29th Mar 2013 18:18

When I started this Thread, I mentioned the great and good who were ultimately responsible for RAF News but I hadn't realised the depth of the antipathy towards the newspaper at that time.

If somebody can tell me the big cheese in charge - AMP perhaps - and give me an email address, I shall 'petition' him and refer him to this Thread with the request that he gets it sharpened up.

Old Duffer

Blanket Stacker 29th Mar 2013 18:40

OD,

I'm glad you started this thread; I don't feel alone any longer! I stopped my subscription a couple of years ago as my blood pressure couldn't cope with the fortnightly scan for typos, spelling errors with Station names and misidents of aircraft. I reckon they recruited the worst of Fleet St as 'journalists' when they moved from Innsworth. Never knowingly miss the opportunity to wheel out a cliche; ATC cadets are always 'high flying'.

BEagle 29th Mar 2013 18:42

pzu, just for you:


Old-Duffer, it's quite probable that there is no such grand fromage in these poverty-stricken times....:hmm:

Pontius Navigator 29th Mar 2013 20:14

Petit Chablis then.

As for 2004, remember that mandatory radio programme of the '50s Journey in to Space.

pzu 29th Mar 2013 21:36

Bombing Mau Mau
 
Cheers BEagle

PZU - Out of Africa (Retired)

CoffmanStarter 29th Mar 2013 21:40

OD ...

A possible starting point with a quick call followed by a letter/eMail perhaps.

HQ Air Command,
High Wycombe, Bucks
HP14 4UE.
T: 01494 495546
E: [email protected]

Coff.

TheWizard 29th Mar 2013 22:12

Would it surprise you to know that there are no uniformed RAF personnel involved in it's production?

Lyneham Lad 30th Mar 2013 00:01

Amazing the earth-shattering information that used to appear...

http://www.kmercerphotography.co.uk/...dding022_2.jpg

Even more amazingly, we still are a 'happy couple'. :ok:

sisemen 30th Mar 2013 02:29

My first job on promotion to corporal and posting to Brize was in the Post Room. I was responsible for ordering, distributing and selling RAF News.

As I read this thread I had to double check the date and make sure that it wasn't 1974 because the exact same comments were being made then and that's - gulp - almost 40 years ago!

My last act on retirement as a sqn ldr in 93 was to buy a copy of RAF News. Still got it somewhere.

Pontius Navigator 30th Mar 2013 08:23


Originally Posted by TheWizard (Post 7767853)
Would it surprise you to know that there are no uniformed RAF personnel involved in it's production?

Er no, it wouldn't.

Bit like Defence Estates or the MOD Civil Service really.


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