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The B Word 18th Feb 2013 22:38

WARNING! Contains Sharkey Porn...
 
And without an iPod in sight...:E


Corporal Clott 18th Feb 2013 22:45

Oh dear, comparing a Whistling Sh!tcan to a Tomcat, oh dear, oh dear, oh dear :=

dat581 18th Feb 2013 22:59

An F-14A catapult launch was one of the most spectacular sights in aviation. Sea Harrier not so much.:hmm: Still did the job when needed though...

orca 18th Feb 2013 23:21

What a shame...

Some nice footage (almost) completely spoilt by the enduring premise that to be a naval aviator you must have something to do with the USN Fighter Weapons School. Change the title and music and you have a reasonable document...albeit of a tired jet with a great combat record coming out for one last bow. (Why was there no bow? That would have been good.;))

I wonder, in the gathering dusk of its career, exactly what the video producer thought the FA2 and the chaps who maintained and flew it had to prove? Or how FAA FW was somehow preserved as a result of Marstrike 05! (History would appear to show otherwise!)

500N 18th Feb 2013 23:25

Interesting.


Could someone tell me what the deck crew person is doing
at about 3.15. Looks like some silver metal in his hand
as he does something near the intake.

Navaleye 18th Feb 2013 23:36

Actually the RN QFI course did have a lot to do with Top Gun. Well done to MoorKey for the recording. Looking forward to 800NAS Flying of HMS Queen Elizabeth at the end of the decade.

rigpiggy 18th Feb 2013 23:55

Just a guess, spraying some of the salt off the fan?

WhiteOvies 19th Feb 2013 00:37

Of course Moorkey was an 800NAS maintainer before he ever got to 801! :ok:

Not exactly Topgun, but the only time the FA2 went to Nellis for Red Flag they played Red Air with the USAF Aggressor Vipers. Even bagged some unwary F-15s!

Orca, I would say the producer was thinking of doing something for the other lads on the Squadron, never expecting it to end up on Youtube. Nothing to prove, just something to remember.

Justanopinion 19th Feb 2013 01:28


Actually the RN QFI course did have a lot to do with Top Gun.
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Great det that was too. We also flew two days of sorties with the GR7 in and out of Afghanistan, in support of 1 Sqn, from the boat at the end of the exercise.

Mk 1 19th Feb 2013 02:36

It's a can of "Start Ya Bastard"...:E

dervish 19th Feb 2013 06:41

It is a shame the way aircraft such as SHAR are routinely denigrated, just because they belong to another generation. At the time (and that is what counts) it was a superb aircraft and did what it said on the tin, in spades. It has had its day, but what a day it was.

BEagle 19th Feb 2013 06:41

Nicely made movie, well-edited to the music.

How long will it be before anyone can ever make a similar movie, starring the UK's F-35B? Or F/A-18C/D? Or Rafale?

A great shame that the RN killed off the excellent Sea Harrier F/A 2. AMRAAM + Link16 gave it a potent capability light years ahead of Sharkey's FRS 1.

lj101 19th Feb 2013 07:01

Well said Beags, she was an easy aircraft to work too with as generally she was very serviceable (and if broke, easy to fix).... as was the GR5/7/9. Despite being an old bird, she was the only British fast jet we worked with (until Typhoon) who could/did tank a few thousand feet above the rest making life a lot quicker and less tanker dependant for all.

No idea why so many are so spiteful about the Sea Harrier/Harrier force.

BEagle 19th Feb 2013 07:37

Indeed, lj101, it was good to back up at a reasonable altitude when tanking the Sea Harrier. But as for trails with the GR3, the 'Sondrestrom out' single hose plan was....interesting!


Despite being an old bird....
Not really all that old - and often a more mature bird is more fun anyway....:E As many VC10 air engineers will be able to confirm - in all senses of the word!

I first encountered the Sea Harrier in March 1981 after finishing my TWU course at Chivenor. 800 NAS wanted some opposition during a work-up phase, so I went along on a couple of DACT trips with the acknowledged doggers aces of the base - they found it a very slippery little beast to fight against.

tucumseh 19th Feb 2013 07:47

I think it always worth repeating that, due to the way the Defence budget was constructed in the mid-late 70s, the RN (FAA in this case) understandably committed to a series of major procurements simultaneously.



Just as an example, at the outbreak of hostilities in 1982, Lynx, Sea King and SHAR radars were still in development. Sea Spray, Sea Searcher and Blue Fox, respectively. Orders were issued to shut down development and launch production, regardless of design maturity. Sea Spray was the most mature, and production was “simply” ramped up. But Sea Searcher and Blue Fox still had about a year to run on main development.



In the case of SHAR/Blue Fox, 6 of the 8 B Models (which belonged to MoD(PE), not the FAA) were delivered and fitted. These 6 were roughly compatible/interchangeable, but definitely not production standard. The remaining 2 were too different and would have been dangerous to use. Training in their use was minimal. Some design features hadn’t been included yet were in the training manual, and vice versa. What Sharkey and his mates did with this immature design was nothing short of incredible. I’m not sure this minor, but quite important detail is well publicised, but it explains much. The most incredible fact was these B Models stayed in service for over 8 years, before being returned to the factory for the Mid Life Upgrade. This is a great testament to the quality of design and reliability.



In all cases, a Continuing Design Services (CDS) contract was required, to finish main development, incorporate and modify. Sea Spray was minor, although important to reliability, but the RN was denied funding and the Dutch reaped the benefit. The final year of Sea Searcher development was spread over the next 10 years as a “savings” measure, and to this day there are switches on the Controllers with no wiring behind them (a long time source of frustration and numerous MF760s). Most of the CDS was done on the quiet, behind the beancounters’ backs. Blue Fox was the one that was properly funded, progressed and completed to a reasonable timescale; partially due to the Blue Vixen development work that had commenced. This resulted in a major upgrade in 1984 (the “Jamming Package”), then the Mid Life Upgrade (I/A). It was widely regarded as best in class, and despite a 35 year old design would probably still be a viable piece of kit for many potential users. When it was eventually replaced by Blue Vixen, it still exceeded the best spec the RAF could dream up for the Bucc replacement!



Kind of puts the old “Blue Circle” balls in context!

5aday 19th Feb 2013 07:51

Looks like the ground crew chap might have been spraying WD40 down the intake as it was running down. The Nimrod's and it's Speys were treated to the wash and then the engines were similarly treated with a large spray unit. Quite a pungent smell as you came down the steps.

500N 19th Feb 2013 07:55

Thanks to those who answered my question.

CoffmanStarter 19th Feb 2013 08:33

TBW ...

Nice post and vid :D

Just to help ... if you delete in edit mode the YOUTUBE and /YOUTUBE in square brackets at the beginning and end of your YouTube URL you will get just the one embedded vid screen :ok:

FODPlod 19th Feb 2013 09:07

Very enjoyable. Thank you for sharing.

lightbluefootprint 19th Feb 2013 12:25

Yep, very nice vid and well edited :ok:
Which station was shown at the end? looked a bit like Cottesmore to me.

orca 19th Feb 2013 13:12

It's Yeovilton.

He's doing circuits to 27L. The guy in the hover on the left is over Charlie pad and the final approach is made to the MEXE which borders 22L on the eastern side, just north of the intersection with the main.

The MEXE was quite small compared to those at Cottesmore so probably worth avoiding without a wind that allowed you to taxy straight off onto 22/04.

(MEXE probably stands for something but equally might not - it's metal planking.)

DaveW 19th Feb 2013 13:59


Originally Posted by orca
(MEXE probably stands for something but equally might not - it's metal planking.)

I know this one.

MEXE was the Military Engineering eXperimental Establishment at Christchurch, which was run down in the '70s. They also developed the Mexeflotes (still, I think) used by the assault ship fleet.

Courtney Mil 19th Feb 2013 14:07

MEXE were the people in Hants or Dorset that designed and made the planking to place the old PSP (with the holes in it). It was the Military Engineering Experimental Establishment. Even better than MEXE planking was AM2 matting.

Beat me to it, Dave.:ok:

thrusts a must 19th Feb 2013 17:26

The Mexe
 
Orca,

The mexe looked quite big to me. In the early days a normal mexe was 75' and a small one 50'. The really skilled guys - JF,Profit, Day,Pook, Dodworth etc could do a 'corner of the pad' landing (without markers) killing the fwd/side drift at about 10'. I used it once in anger and the heart-rate was off the clock.

Any mexe landing requires awesome skill so hats off to the driver but in my previous life he got a 9 for being a bit back and right.

'Lifts a gift'

Courtney Mil 19th Feb 2013 18:05


Originally Posted by Thrusts a Must
The really skilled guys - JF,Profit, Day,Pook, Dodworth

You missed out Ward, Mate.

The B Word 19th Feb 2013 18:13

Coffman starter

Top tip buddy! Video is now a singleton...

The B Word :ok:

The B Word 19th Feb 2013 18:15

Back to the video. Given the aircraft's number by the forward nozzle, surely a Bond theme tune would be more appropriate? :ok:

stickmonkeytamer 19th Feb 2013 22:08

Low and fast over the North Sea before the last landing onboard Lusty...

http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/o..._filtered2.jpg

and the last ever launch...

http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/o...unch280206.jpg

SMT

orca 20th Feb 2013 02:38

Thrust's a must,

The pads probably grew over time - but the one at Yeovs was definitely smaller than those that were at Cott/Witt by the time I got there. I had no dramas landing in any direction at Cott/Witt but would only go to the Yeovilton MEXE if I knew I'd be facing the concrete, not the grass. Probably yet another of my weaknesses and inabilities that I managed to cover up over the years!

As regards the technique Pook talked about in his book it sounds eminently sensible to me - I took it to mean maintaining an angle from head to a single fixed point as opposed to maintaining your horizontal position by virtue of being at the confluence of two straight lines - maintained by aligning two markers on each. (He probably explained it far better in 1/10th of the verbage!)

Pali 20th Feb 2013 05:43

Some stunning photos stickmonkeytamer
:ok:

dervish 20th Feb 2013 06:02

tuc


When it was eventually replaced by Blue Vixen, it still exceeded the best spec the RAF could dream up for the Bucc replacement!

Can you expand?

Nice to see positive comments about SHAR. UK(Ltd) at its best. Great photos.

500N 20th Feb 2013 06:18

"Some stunning photos stickmonkeytamer"

+ 1


That low and fast shot is awesome.

Courtney Mil 20th Feb 2013 06:33

That top photo is a real stunner! :ok:

Pontius 20th Feb 2013 07:36

Orca,

What's with the 27L and 22L? Did Yeovilton get parallel runways after I left?

There used to be a 'proper' mexe pad adjacent to the northern taxyway enroute to 09 (L, C & R).

tucumseh 20th Feb 2013 13:09

dervish

Briefly, Blue Fox was still a top class radar when it was disposed of during the conversion from SHAR FRS1 to FA2. It was disposed of because parts of the design were, and probably remain, top secret. Many asked to buy it; all were politely turned away. India had a basic variant, but weren’t allowed the full spec.



At the last disposal meeting (a huge task for TS kit) an RAF OR Branch pitched up and tabled a draft spec to fit a radar into a Tornado variant, with a view to undertaking a key Buccaneer role. The chief designer had a look and replied “The RN is scrapping 50+ Blue Fox radars that will more than meet this spec”.



OR was ecstatic but then the penny dropped. “If the RN are scrapping something that exceeds our wildest dreams, WTF are they getting as a replacement?” Blue Vixen. Plan A was quietly ditched and we heard no more.



More a commentary on the complete disconnect between OR Branches, their reluctance to engage civilian specialists and their flat refusal to conduct proper Requirement Scrutiny (which would have revealed all this in 2 minutes flat). The RN was slightly better at this, the Army infinitely worse. Still is. (Sorry!)

orca 20th Feb 2013 13:44

Pontius,

I am truly sorry and repent of all my sins, of which runway naming convention slip ups are a little 'second tier' but in their own way significant nonetheless.

Believe it or not I had to edit it my post because the mists of time, ale and a bit too much JD had turned 22 into a right hand circuit.

Please pass on my apologies to all who genuinely thought Yeovilton had mysteriously grown a few bits of concrete.

Great photo, believe it was AR at the controls...although the other pilot that day was IT. That 'last embarkation' was a real shame to me as it was a hastily planned and executed add-on to the last one in squadron strength a little earlier. I have the 'Last CVS SHAR launch' crossed out of my logbook as a direct result. Boo hoo.

tucumseh 20th Feb 2013 15:44

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/c...ue/shar001.jpg

Lower Hangar 20th Feb 2013 15:57

Nice to see some of the complimentary remarks about the final FRS1 ie the Phase 1 Avionics update which included the I/A Blue Fox, 32K Weapon Computer, Digital ADC, MADGE (Head Up and Head Down), A NAVHARS that worked (it had the FIN 1064 'Jag' CPU) .The integration of I/A Blue Fox with the bigger WAC gave the FRS1 lots of goodies e.g DGS -a predictor Gun Sight which was used to good effect against the towed SAMDU (towed by A&AEE aircraft) for the gun trials (XZ 440 pilot Steve Thomas).

I was programme manager at BAe Dunsfold (1984-1987) for this thoroughly enjoyable Avionics Integration programme before I was 'hoiked' off to BAe Kingston in Dec 1987 to programme manage the build of the first FA2 -ZA 195and subsequently the 2nd FA2 XZ439.

Black 'n Yellar 20th Feb 2013 16:54

Seeing as we seem to be in a 'SHAR loving' period at the moment, here is a video of some more 'Sharkey Porn' from 801 NAS flying Sea Harriers from HMS Invincible - none of which are sadly with us any more!


Courtney Mil 20th Feb 2013 17:17


we seem to be in a 'SHAR loving' period at the moment
Are we really? Perhaps the decission to scrap Harrier was bonkers.


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