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ricardian 1st Nov 2012 10:37

WWII carrier pigeon message discovered in Surrey chimney
 
BBC report on coded message found attached to pigeon's leg

NutLoose 1st Nov 2012 11:20

It must have been a Royal Mail pigeon, they're notoriously late.



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diginagain 1st Nov 2012 11:29

'Speckled Jim'?

racedo 1st Nov 2012 12:33

Tried to get up the chimney as he was being cooked I guess.....

Wensleydale 1st Nov 2012 13:04

One of RAF Waddington's carrier pigeons, Pigeon Billy, was awarded a Dicken medal (the "animal VC") during WW2.

The pigeon was on board a Waddington based Hampden of 420 Sqn RCAF (PT-F AD915) that was lost to flak over the Frisian Islands on 18/19 Feb 42. The aircraft, which was tasked with gardening (mine laying) crashed onto the frozen beach - the pilot was taken POW, the two gunners were killed and the navigator badly injured. Three days later, the pigeon from the aircraft was found exhausted near Spurn Point having flown 250 miles into the teeth of snow and sleet storms. The message on its leg gave the aircraft position with the letters "OZO" written in the margin. It is highly likely that the Dutch Resistance had searched the aircraft wreckage once the Germans had gone and found the pigeon ("OZO" was the logo of the Dutch resistance and stands for "Holland will Rise Again").

The pilot of the aircraft was P/O Robert Key, who became a journalist after the war and was one of the "Gang of Five" who formed TV-AM in the 1980s.

Does anyone know where Waddington Heritage Centre can lay hands on a WW2 pigeon carrier that was used on bombers during WW2? It would help with the Pigeon Billy exhibit.

Gemini Twin 1st Nov 2012 18:20

Very interesting, but I thought these ciphertext messages were worked out on a machine (Enigma or Tunny equivalent types) and I didn't think these were carried in our aircraft.

It looks more like an intercept being passed on by an agent.

I'll bet the boys and girls at Bletchley Park could easily convert this message to plaintext, especially if they had COLOSSUS working.

ricardian 1st Nov 2012 19:08

If it was encoded with an OTP (One Time Pad) the chances of decoding it are minimal!

Gemini Twin 1st Nov 2012 19:20

Could be completely wrong but I don't think OTP was used by the allies during WW2.

hval 1st Nov 2012 19:42

Gemini Twin,

I know that SOE used one time pads, but how frequently they were used I do not know.

Tiger_mate 1st Nov 2012 19:47

The BBC News this morning reported that the message was being taken to its original destination for decoding this afternoon. It will be interesting to see if the message becomes public.

lj101 1st Nov 2012 20:02

Wensleydale

Not British but its a start...

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racedo 1st Nov 2012 21:15


The BBC News this morning reported that the message was being taken to its original destination for decoding this afternoon. It will be interesting to see if the message becomes public.
Speculation on what is says
"Don't invade in Normandy in June it will never work" perhaps...................

oldmansquipper 1st Nov 2012 23:43

Booking references for aircrew accommodation

7 nights Normandy Coast 7th-14th June 1944?

;)

Karl Bamforth 2nd Nov 2012 03:51

Maybe it says

Stuck in chimney.
No food.
Not long left.
Tell the old bird I love her........

Buster Hyman 2nd Nov 2012 04:34


Speculation on what is says
Peace in our time! - Chamberlain.

What the Fug 2nd Nov 2012 06:12

Mutley rules

aviate1138 2nd Nov 2012 06:55

We must have more Marmite please send soonest.

airborne_artist 2nd Nov 2012 07:46

Quest to crack secrets of lost D-Day pigeon - Telegraph

"Experts said the spelling of Serjeant was significant, because the RAF used J, while the Army used G."

Are they sure about that? :confused:

Wensleydale 2nd Nov 2012 07:47

The message has been shown to be earlier than originally thought and dates from September 1918. It says,

"Archduke Ferdinand found alive. The war is a mistake."

Buster Hyman 2nd Nov 2012 08:37

...Broadsword calling Danny Boy, Broadsword calling Danny Boy...


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