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In Omnibus Princeps 12th Oct 2012 22:10

Sqn Gate Guardian
 
Good evening all,

1(F) Sqn has recently reformed at RAF Leuchars and will move shortly to its new home on the southern HAS site.

We are on the hunt for a gate guardian to occupy the empty plinth outside Sqn HQ where the 111(F) Sqn Lightning stood.

The aircraft we’re after will have been flown by the Sqn and must be up to withstanding the Scottish weather all year round. This probably means one of the metal jets: Meteor, Hunter or Harrier.

If anyone can point us towards such an aircraft, or has any ideas, advice or suggestions, then please get in touch.

With thanks,

1(F) Sqn

Fox3WheresMyBanana 12th Oct 2012 23:57

2366 Sqn ATC have one. I think they're keeping it, but know of others.
Try
Content - 2366 Squadron Air Training Corps
or via this thread
http://www.pprune.org/military-aircr...ce-record.html

AGS Man 13th Oct 2012 06:20

Davis Monthan Air Base has some Harriers!

TOWTEAMBASE 13th Oct 2012 06:40

Sqn Gate Guardian
 
RAF Wittering updated their harrier a while back, maybe the old one is gathering dust in a hangar somewhere ?

howiehowie93 13th Oct 2012 06:50

There was a Harrier at Deci, what happened to that one ? Could it be transported to Leuchars ? It wasn't on display when i last saw it but in the corner of the hanger.

Wander00 13th Oct 2012 06:54

What happened to the Spitfire ISTR outside 1 Sqn's hangar at Wittering that was visible from the A1 (OK, it was a few years back!)

lj101 13th Oct 2012 07:07

HHA Aircraft Fleet


Maybe someone at the above could help source something suitable.

Or....

EVERETT AERO SALES & SUPPORT.

downsizer 13th Oct 2012 07:27

Cosford used to have GR3s....

HaveQuick2 13th Oct 2012 07:49

This site looks like a good place to start.

Demobbed - Out of Service British Military Aircraft

Tiger_mate 13th Oct 2012 10:16


Cosford used to have GR3s....
Yes....Jaguars

The Royal Navy are, I believe finished with using their deck manouvering school GR1/3/SHAR/GR9 and as such they are probably going through the disposal process. However actually getting hold of one is quite another matter.

The RN have the (ex-RAF) Harrier that held the Atlantic Crossing Record:

The shortest overall time between London and New York was by Squadron Leader Tom Lecky-Thompson flying a Royal Air Force Hawker Siddeley Harrier in 6 hours 11 minutes.

In 1969 XV741 took part in the transatlantic air race.
....and whilst I believe it was sourced from the Harrier Conversion Flight, it is bound to have served on 1(f) at some time and deserves much better treatment then that served by the senior service in recent years.
AL1 Some websites have it as a 1(f) Sqn machine.

*The fastest west-east was a Royal Navy Phantom*

downsizer 13th Oct 2012 10:53


Yes....Jaguars
They also had Harrier GR1s and GR3s and at least 1 T4. This was in the 90s. I am 100% certain. If they are there now I have no idea....

NutLoose 13th Oct 2012 11:15

I might have the ideal solution for you, Predannack the Royal Navy Fire establishment actually has amongst their Harrier GR 3's sitting outside unloved and abandoned XV753 which is a genuine 1Sqn Harrier, also as it is still in house so to speak, perhaps you could come to some agreement, and as there are a couple there, parts shouldn't be an issue to complete one.

Pictures of her

xv753 predannack - Google Search

Details of Predannack and more images

Royal Naval School Of Fire Fighting Predannack - Aircraft & Airshows

In her better days

Gastflugzeuge der Royal Air Force – No 1 Sqn | Spotting Group Gütersloh - Flugplatz von 1937 bis heute

Taken last year shows how complete they are

Report - Predannack, Cornwall, March 2011


If it works out, can you get me the canopy bungees off the jag there for someone with a cockpit :ok:

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green granite 13th Oct 2012 11:37

Alternatively get a plastic replica made of what ever aircraft you want.

Kilonovember52 13th Oct 2012 17:41

GR3 XV752 is no longer at Bletchley Park. It was moved to the South Yorkshire Air Museum (Aeroventure) in December 2011. The airframe is still an MOD asset and is under the charge of 1053 (Armthorpe) - Air Cadets Squadron, but is on loan to the Museum. Having extensively researched the aircraft history when I was at 2366 (Bletchley Park) Sqn ATC, I can confirm that 752 saw extensive service with 1F Sqn.

Willard Whyte 13th Oct 2012 17:48

Wait 5 years or so and paint a 'scrap' Tranche 1 Tiffy in 1 sqn colours.

NutLoose 13th Oct 2012 17:57


GR3 XV752 is no longer at Bletchley Park. It was moved to the South Yorkshire Air Museum (Aeroventure) in December 2011. The airframe is still an MOD asset and is under the charge of 1053 (Armthorpe) - Air Cadets Squadron, but is on loan to the Museum. Having extensively researched the aircraft history when I was at 2366 (Bletchley Park) Sqn ATC, I can confirm that 752 saw extensive service with 1F Sqn.
A lot of work went into that and securing it's future, please look elsewhere. As said rescuing one of those I listed earlier with a relevant history from a terminal fate would be a good result.

Courtney Mil 13th Oct 2012 18:14

The Southern HAS site there is a particularly harsh environment. The proximity to the Eden Estuary, the sea spray, the driving wind and crews that used to inhabit 'the other place' would corrode even the most resilient of alloys.

Can you asure me that 1 Sqn's arrival there will change any of that? It would be tempting to say a Harrier, having a significant Airfix content, might survive. But is that the image the Fighter Squadron wishes to adopt? Why not see if BAES might donate an EAP as the forerunner for your jet?

You guys represent a very new 1 Sqn. Choose something fitting.

Pontius Navigator 13th Oct 2012 18:25

With reference to #4, is it tied down? Couple of pickeys and a truck?

Fox3WheresMyBanana 13th Oct 2012 18:45

I'd have thought 617 or IX would be the people to talk to about "borrowing" things from RAF bases.

Scruffy Fanny 13th Oct 2012 19:07

EAP
 
The EAP is now in the museum at Cosford - about to go on display and not really suitable as a gate guard being a unique prototype- BAe used to have a plastic EFA that might be better- don't think there are many Meteor F8s left , what happened to the RAF exhibition flight Harrier made of plastic ?

60024 13th Oct 2012 20:11

1 Sqn? You'll need a balloon then!:}

Fox3WheresMyBanana 13th Oct 2012 20:14

http://albums.mouseplanet.com/Deskto...sktop1_800.jpg

TomJoad 13th Oct 2012 20:34

There used to be a fella at STC that dealt with such things; sourcing the ac and giving authority to mount as gate guardian. Sure there was some DCI covering it . Not sure if the same fella still exists within Air Cmd but may be worth a try.
You wouldn't believe the grief involved in putting the F3 there at Leucahrs - have fun - worth it in the end !

NutLoose 13th Oct 2012 20:49

There are some F8's here

http://forum.keypublishing.com/attac...1&d=1277985296

http://forum.keypublishing.com/attac...1&d=1277985296

You should be able to pick the odd one up at the end of the campaign in Syria :p

Justanopinion 13th Oct 2012 21:20


But is that the image the Fighter Squadron wishes to adopt?
What, single seat and above average?

Scruffy Fanny 13th Oct 2012 22:51

Meteor F8 in Syria
 
From what I understand the complete aircraft in Syria are NF versions not used by 1 Squadron

BEagle 14th Oct 2012 07:12

What happened to the Harrier (model?) which used to be on the gate at pre-pongo RAF Cottesmore?

No doubt there's some old lorry or gun there now instead.....:bored:

Scruffy Fanny 14th Oct 2012 08:03

RAF Cottesmore Harrier
 
It was a genuine GR3 - now moved to the ATC centre at Swannick (sp?) and preserved- I think one of the trans Atlantic air race aircraft XV741 would be very suitable- leave it outside in the summer but put it away in the winter ?

Lima Juliet 14th Oct 2012 08:14

The GR7/9 with all the bits of shrapnel in it is still outside the gate at Wittering and staring at the A1?

Or get one of these and you can use it for the Summer Ball as well...:ok:

http://www.google.co.uk/url?source=i...-ZvvKxOq_qgrzw

noprobs 14th Oct 2012 09:22

Harrier GR7 ZD462 was with 1(F) Sqn when it ended up in the Mediterranean in 1997. It was recovered more or less complete, but never flew again. A few years ago, it was offered for sale by tender from Cosford. I don't know who bought it, or indeed if it was actually sold, but its interesting Squadron history might make it worth a bit of research.

In Omnibus Princeps 14th Oct 2012 14:01

Thank you very much everyone, some great suggestions to follow up....


Can you asure me that 1 Sqn's arrival there will change any of that? It would be tempting to say a Harrier, having a significant Airfix content, might survive. But is that the image the Fighter Squadron wishes to adopt?
Courtney, the only thing I can assure you is that we would look after any aircraft as best we could. I think that 1(F) Sqn achieved some great and ground-breaking things while flying the Harrier (including during my posting there) and it would thus be a very fitting aircraft to be guarding our gates today as we develop into a mature Typhoon sqn.

Just got to get hold of one now....

SammySu 14th Oct 2012 20:08

Mature?! ;)

PX927 15th Oct 2012 11:11

ZD462 is in the Dyson HQ car park in Malmesbury, Wiltshire

See here

NutLoose 15th Oct 2012 15:05

Cool, if Dyson can have a Harrier outside their HQ, perhaps 1 Sqn can have a Dyson outside theirs :p

The Helpful Stacker 15th Oct 2012 15:15

Do my eyes deceive me or does Mr Dyson's Harrier have some sort of guns strapped to it's underneath?

Halton Brat 15th Oct 2012 15:35

That would be the 'Dyson with Death' model then......

HB

vulcanxl426 15th Oct 2012 15:37

Well ive found a harrier gr7 thats up for sale havent got a price but perhaps this might help you out and it looks like it will need very little work also . See link below.


EVERETT AERO SALES & SUPPORT.

downsizer 15th Oct 2012 16:20


Do my eyes deceive me or does Mr Dyson's Harrier have some sort of guns strapped to it's underneath?
No guns, just empty pods, which were flown with in the mid to late 90's. Pretty sure they went completely strake from circa 2000.....

Moi/ 15th Oct 2012 16:20

Obtain this, glue it back together and hey presto..

http://www.ukserials.com/images/losses/zj943.jpg

Climebear 15th Oct 2012 16:29

There is a really tired looking GR3 outside a TA building attached to Chilwell Station in Nottingham.


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