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Shack37 25th Sep 2012 21:29


But I'm not whinging about it. I'm doing the sensible thing and moving to France
to live beside a nice safe nuclear power plant.
CM
:D:D:)

An excellent move mon ami.

mike-wsm 1st Oct 2012 13:13

May I take this opportunity to thank all those kind gentlemen who have told me with great conviction that absolutely nothing can go wrong with RAFAT's Hawks and that the pilots are so fighting fit that they can never suffer any medical condition.

Justanopinion 1st Oct 2012 13:42

Hello Mike


“We are deeply disappointed at not being able to take part in the Malta International Airshow; however, safety is always paramount,” the Red Arrows said on their website
Safety is always paramount being the critical bit of the statement. They will not be flying over your house if the jets are not 100% serviceable.

I think someone as fit as Mo Farrah would have issues breathing without oxygen........

mike-wsm 1st Oct 2012 13:49

Your logic defies comprehension. How would they know?

lj101 1st Oct 2012 14:13


May I take this opportunity to thank all those kind gentlemen who have told me with great conviction that absolutely nothing can go wrong with RAFAT's Hawks and that the pilots are so fighting fit that they can never suffer any medical condition.
Would you indicate the particular posts that said the above.

Do you ever wonder why you were banned from your Mensa forum?

BEagle 1st Oct 2012 14:34

Mensa? MENSA??!! AAARGGGHH - flashback to my first ever Latin lesson (long before you were born, lj101!) and the nonsense of declining the word 'mensa'......mensa, mensam, mensae, mensae, mensa...:(

No wonder the Romans died out. 3 different words for 'table' and 4 for 'tables' including 'mensae', which can mean either 'of a table', 'to or from a table', 'tables', or 'O tables!'.....:mad:

Nice piccy of the Seahawk, Bob - is RNHF's WV908 currently airworthy?

Oh well, I will now hand you back to mike and his seaside donkeys.....:uhoh:

Tourist 1st Oct 2012 14:42

MENSA ?

Please tell me mike isn't a Mensan?!

I thought it was for clever people?

mike-wsm 1st Oct 2012 14:54

Ij101 - Sorry, can't discuss the mensa forums, they have a rule about that. But if you consider the normal distribution (bell-shaped curve) and truncate it on the 98th percentile, the remainder is a very strange shape, with most of the population at the lowest extreme. Those of us who get banned seem to reside in the tiny minority at the higher end.

All completely meaningless in real life. Except electronics, where IQ is actually useful.

Tourist 1st Oct 2012 14:58

Ah, that must be why you were banned.

Because you're "special":hmm:

mike-wsm 1st Oct 2012 15:08

Tourist - Sorry, can't comment on the mensa forums, they have a rule about that.

lj101 1st Oct 2012 15:20

Mike


Reference your Mensa thingy.......


PPRuNe Forums - Professional Pilots Rumour Network › Flight Deck Forums › Rumours & News
20 posts - 12 authors - 19 Aug
If it ain't Pan-Am, I ain't flyin'. "But mike-wsm, Pan-Am don't fly any more" "Exactly!" PS - I've just been banned from the British Mensa forums so ...
You brought it up first.......


May I take this opportunity to thank all those kind gentlemen who have told me with great conviction that absolutely nothing can go wrong with RAFAT's Hawks and that the pilots are so fighting fit that they can never suffer any medical condition.
As previously requested, would you indicate the particular posts that said the above.


LJ101

Courtney Mil 1st Oct 2012 16:27

OK, while I'm in the mood.

I made the point earlier, in another thread, that everyone is starting to attach far too much importance to flight safety. Flight safety is both expensive and a complete embuggerance in that it stops aviators from being allowed to do all sorts of things. I admit there's an up-side to it as it seems likely (or possible) that it results in fewer accidents - although, how would you proove that? No one ever said to me, "Courtney, you made it back safely today because of your excellent use of flight safety." (There's an opening for some banter)

So, it's like this. There are risks associated with aviation and those apply whether you participate in the activity or happen to live where others do. So the rafat guys sometimes take a few liberties with a waiver. Just enjoy the free flypast over your town. If the worst is going to happen, it'll happen. With an operation of this size there are bound to be a few losses.

As for the Hawks being 100% serviceable, don't beleive them, Mike. I can't remember when I last flew a jet that was 100% OK. Mostly good enough to do the job on the day - sometimes not even that good. Especially with an aircraft as old as the Hawk.

This type of risk aversion causes acne, constipation and premature hair loss.

mike-wsm 1st Oct 2012 16:29

Ij101 - Thankyou for your kind and comprehensive research into my past posts.

Yes, I really loved flying Pan-Am, my very first long-haul flight was on Clipper Kit Carson, saw the name as I boarded on emigration to the US of A, since changed, took me ages to locate that plane. 747SP, as all long-haul flights were in those far-off days. November 1978.

Yes, I may have been a bit miffed that day, being banned for no reason, Kafka is often cited. I've emailed several times but still no information is forthcoming. I do tend to be a bit critical of anyone, in whatever organisation, hammering the expenses so perhaps that may have contributed.

Your other request seems, how can I say it, a little 'pushy' but if you would like to pm with proof that you are a mod I shall of course be happy to comply to the best of my ability.

mike-wsm 1st Oct 2012 16:35

Courtney Mil Yes, thank you, a fair assessment. So why not stick to European Law and take those risks out over the sea? We civilians don't have 'get me outa here' seats.

Courtney Mil 1st Oct 2012 16:38

Because no one can see them 'out over the sea.' That's the whole point of the Reds, to be seen. Preferably up close and personal.

Was the airfield already there when you moved to your town?

mike-wsm 1st Oct 2012 16:44

Courtney Mil - Some misunderstanding here - there is no airfield involved - it is a seaside display, over the sea, the crowd line is the seafront - wsm is Weston super Mare - Latin scholars will tell you 'mare' means sea - but the name was assumed quite recently, no Romans involved.

Tourist 1st Oct 2012 17:12

mike

"I've emailed several times but still no information is forthcoming"


You have come on here and questioned the Reds safety, and despite many careful explanations from everyone here you still seem unable to comprehend what you are being told.


Have you considered the possibility that after some similar event on the clever peoples forum that they have decided to revoke your ticket.

"Courtney Mil Yes, thank you, a fair assessment."

Have you considered the possibility that, no, it is not?

Your sarcasm filter has holes that would let an autistic elephant gampole through without hinderance.

First the tax free miltary with free housing, now this.

You have no first-hand knowledge or experience, and an inability to parse sensible facts from the internet.

Hardly a recipe for educated decision or opinion making mike, is it?

Courtney Mil 1st Oct 2012 17:38

Now that is good answer.

mike-wsm 1st Oct 2012 18:09

Tourist - Thank you for your kind comments. I do take time to look at people's profiles, can't comment in detail on open parts of the forum, but I tend to put greater weight on the comments made by those who show relevant experience.

I have apologised several times for believing Mr Exascot's post about tax-free status, his use of irony was so immaculate that it passed me by. Nice one, Exocet!

I do believe Mr Courtney Mil's comments because they are reasonable and because they are in accord with what I have seen from within the industry. Oh, how many tales could I tell, were I free so to do.

Several books have been written on Murphy's Laws, which apply very much in the design of those machines best described as 'a collection of engineering compromises flying in close formation'. Highly recommended.

Courtney Mil 1st Oct 2012 18:14

Er, Mike. No, fella. I've been in a PPRuNe fishing mood lately and have taken to posting posts that no one would ever believe. Either I've caught a big one here or you're playing me at my own game. Either way, strike the flight safety stuff from the records.

I had to write that; a large black staff car has just pulled up outside.

Anyway, this is a secret forum and you're using a pseudonym so feel free to divulge your tales.


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