I suppose this heinous crime against humanity....the making of the video warrants condemnation.

That being said....perhaps there should be the same kind of scrutiny of Muslim conduct in Egypt re treatment of Christians.

I would submit the video is an insult....the other side is guilty of Crimes Against Humanity.

Unless of course you think a Muslim majority can do as it wishes with no repercussions despite their continuing crimes against the minority.

Sasless, I for one am not defending the perps of this crime as you rightly say it is indefensible. What I am saying is that you need to understand the way these people think.
Making the video was a very provocative act to a very sensitive and incendary people, not very clever! some might say that the video was inciting violence and hatred by knowing what the reaction would be.
And I think you are wrong in stating that the video has nothing to do with the attack as the further embassy attacks and protests throughout the middle east today have shown.

SASless, I am reading off the exact page as you, trust me :ok:

Are we not meant to be more intelligent, less inbred, more developed as humans, as these sheep-people.

Do we not inhabit a slightly higher moral ground, free to think, free to dress and free to believe as we like.

For some dunderhead to produce such a crass piece of crap as the aforementioned video, pretty much puts him in the same league as the sheep-people.

The obvious result is death and mayhem along with political turmoil.

Can we perhaps question his motive ?

Jay,

I am of the belief the video in and of itself is not what is driving these events. I strongly believe it is being used as a prop to the real goal of AQ and the MB to attack American Interests and power. If it was not this video....they would latch onto something else to use as a tool to agitate the zealots.

An example.....remember the problems when some Qurans got burned after the Terrorists had used them as a method of passing hand written messages....dozens of people were killed during the riots that followed that event.

Never mind the Terrorists at Gitmo had written in the the things, that no one in the printing shop wore white gloves, the shipping department at the printers had boxed the things up and loaded them into the backs of trucks, packed them into shipping containers....or in any way treated them with the care, courtesy, and "respect" our Military did.....the radical Islamists were all up in arms over it.

We are not dealing with logical, reasonable, sane people here.....they are very warped, sick, insanely twisted folks that are so easily revved up by the agitators and genuine Terrorists.

We have to accept the fact there shall always be some excuse for them to run amok.....as they are on the alert for any perceived insult or affront.

How many Millions of Muslims found it within themselves to remain calm and peaceful......yet we are not talking about them....just a few hundred...perhaps a few thousand of easily manipulated excitable people.

If I were a member of AQ or the MB....I would be doing exactly what they are.....doing my dead level best to take my fight to the Great Satan.....and that is just what they are doing.

We cannot fall prey to their aims, goals, tactics, and strategy....that is my point. The Western World survived the Danish Cartoon thing, the Quran burning, Abu Grahib, and all the other crisis' that have been thrown out for public consumption by the Islamists.

We will survive this one too.

Grifo.....absolutely we can question his motive....and condemn him for putting it out too. But....we have to be fair in assessing blame to both parties to this mess. If this guy is in fact a Coptic and has either suffered mistreatment by Muslims or has family or friends that have then perhaps we might begin to understand where he is coming from. Life for Christians in a country or area ruled by Fundamentalist Islamists is not a pleasant situation.

In our Societies, the majority rules but does try to hold some consideration for the Minority either by law or by tolerance. That is not the way with the Fundamentalists in the Middle East is it?

As more information comes out....and if this guy's background is proved to be that of a Coptic Christian who has immigrated or whose parents immigrated to the United States....we might begin to put all this into a reasonable structure.

He does apparently have a criminal record for Bank Fraud and thus has proven nimself to of less than sterling character. Assuming initial reports are correct.

The Video
 

I've just had a look on t'internet to see what the fuss is about. What a load of hoop! If you can force yourself to watch more than a minute or so, you're a better man than me! That said, it certainly looks like a modern equivalent of the Nazi propoganda film 'The Eternal Jew' and, IMHO, should be consigned to the same bin! Appalling - Yes; Anti-muslim - certainly; worth watching - not on your life; worth killing people for - I think not.

Duncs:ok:

You know that, I know that and the vast majority of Pprunites know that, but try telling that to the sheepites :ugh:

Our government had no hand in making that film.

Thus, to attack our consulate is a non sequitur.

I thus conclude that the excuse is rubbish, and this all had to do with other motives, and some rubbish in the internet, which was first posted a month or so ago, is a cheap fig leaf.

You are assuming a logical response rather than the more likely outraged one of "have at the nearest thing which can be associated with it".

That said, nobody comes out of this looking good.

There is no excuse for the murder of an unarmed man, who is supposed to be protected by diplomatic code and protocol, who is on a peaceful mission, and who is a non-combatant. NONE.

The trouble is that the so-called peace loving, almost tolerant, but not exactly learned members of the Religion of the Perpetually Outraged are a vile and evil mob who are beyond normal codes of conduct.

It is time for retribution of the most violent kind, and I wait to see if Obama is capable of dealing with this outrage.

Hillary looked and sounded panicked, today, apologizing for something she, or her government had nothing to do with, and furthermore is perfectly legal (although repugnant) where it was made. The fact that some islamist extremist doesn't like it is tough tities.

These people need to be dealt with. The only thing they understand is brute force. After all we keep saying that they live in the 12th century. Well, les give them some of the 12th century response to burning an embassy and killing an ambassador and his staff.

I know where I'd start looking, at least as agitators and paymasters if not participants - The Quds Force and here's why. Could be a coincidence, but I doubt it.

With the able assistance of the BBC who are still badging "the film" on the headlines page as "US-made", as opposed to "appears to be made by some rather shady private individuals who may or may not be US citizens" - which is probably more accurate.

In a similar vein, Channel 4 has had to cancel a repeat of its recent program about Islam because of threats against the reporter.

ORAC

With all due, QUDS and Al Q are fundamentally opposed. AL Q hate the Shia version of Islam more than Christianity.

Some cynical wag suggested that this might be the first live shots in the election campaign.

How silly :ok:

So if Obama turns the middle and near east to glass will the itchy trigger finger red necks drop Mitt Romney, a man out-witted by Boris Johnson, and vote Democrat?

Here we go!
 

British (and other) embassies stormed in Sudan.:ugh:

BBC News - Anti-Islam film: German and UK embassies in Sudan attacked

Not a Boffin

Since you've mentioned the BBC may I offer up this reader's comment from the Daily Telegraph a couple of days back:

Is it only me that smells a bad kipper here?

A youtube video is released of a badly dubbed anti islam film, supposedly made by a radical christian ethiopian living in america funded by Jews...isnt this a bit of a coincidence ? Some one must know this would have caused outrage in the muslim world especially after friday prayers:(


Is this type of thing released by the west IA so they can respond as it sees fit?


or is it AQ using reverse propaganda to stir up trouble in after the arab spring uprising in order to topple unstable goverments?

something is amiss here?

Similarly minded as my "cynical freind" :ok: