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rattman 4th Oct 2023 08:34

Calling BS on the lost sub. Unless it a polluted atmosphere like chlorine or flurine as an example. No way that 6 hours with no oxygen production would kill over half the crew between chemical oxygen generators and CO2 scrubbers. 6 hours would be total non event

Lonewolf_50 4th Oct 2023 19:40


Originally Posted by rattman (Post 11514109)
Calling BS on the lost sub. Unless it a polluted atmosphere like chlorine or flurine as an example. No way that 6 hours with no oxygen production would kill over half the crew between chemical oxygen generators and CO2 scrubbers. 6 hours would be total non event

Give it 48 hours and see if the story has died or if there's a bit more meat on the bone. The 'sources' don't fill me with confidence.

ORAC 12th Oct 2023 10:59

AW&ST:

https://aviationweek.com/defense-spa...nter-hellscape

Invade Taiwan? Encounter A ‘Hellscape’

A new operational concept within the U.S. Indo-Pacific Command proposes to use a horde of drones to turn the Taiwan Strait into a “hellscape” if China attempts to invade Taiwan.

To realize that vision, the Defense Department has created several new efforts to solve the industrial, bureaucratic and command-and-control issues posed by unleashing thousands of drones simultaneously into the air, water and land around the roughly 100-nm channel between mainland China and Taiwan.

The multiple projects, including the Pentagon’s recently announced Replicator and DARPA’s Rapid Experimental Missionized Autonomy (REMA) programs, seek to enhance and accelerate the programs of record already underway by each of the armed services to field tens of thousands of drones—including uncrewed air vehicles (UAV), uncrewed surface vessels (USV) and uncrewed ground vehicles—in the next several years…..

Lonewolf_50 12th Oct 2023 12:30

ORAC, thanks for the article/summary.
As to the various spokesmen: Why is this being discussed in open sources?
Do they believe that this will act as a deterrent, big talk?

jolihokistix 12th Oct 2023 13:06

Follow-up Mail article suggesting that all hands were lost, and that Chinese subs of this type may not have back-up CO2 scrubbers.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...elated-replace

Lonewolf_50 17th Oct 2023 13:01

Reported by Bloomberg news service. At least they didn't run into the plane as happened with an American P-3 (about 20 years ago). I guess that Chinese airmanship is improving. Their attitude isn't, no surprise.

A Canadian general criticized the Chinese air force over an incident off the coast of the Asian nation that apparently saw a fighter jet cut off a patrol plane and drop flares in its path. The episode on Monday was reported by Global News, which had journalists on the Canadian surveillance aircraft. Chinese fighters also flew within 5 meters (5.5 yards) of the plane, it added.

They became very aggressive and to a degree we would deem it unsafe and unprofessional,” Major-General Iain Huddleston told the Canadian news outlet. Canada didn’t want to have “anything untoward happen that would result in loss of life,” he said.
Beijing filed a diplomatic complaint with Ottawa over the incident in the South China Sea, Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Mao Ning said Tuesday at a regular press briefing in Beijing, adding that in recent years Canadian planes have conducted reconnaissance “against China.”
“Canadian airships have made trouble at the doorstep of China,” she said. “Canada should respect facts and stop spreading false information.”
China’s Defense Ministry didn’t immediately respond to a faxed request for comment. The incident highlights China’s frustration over Western military flights near its shores, though they are carried out in international airspace. In May, the Pentagon said a Chinese fighter jet that swerved in front of a US reconnaissance aircraft over the South China Sea behaved in an “unnecessarily aggressive maneuver.”

Last year, Chinese fighters reportedly buzzed Canadian planes in the region and released small pieces of aluminum in front of Australian aircraft. China claims all of the South China Sea as its territory, and such midair confrontations have the potential to escalate. In 2001, a US Navy surveillance plane collided with a Chinese fighter. The jet crashed and its pilot was never found, while the Navy’s EP-3 landed on the southern Chinese island of Hainan, provoking a ten-day standoff after which the 24 American crew members were finally released.

Canada said the 13-member crew of the plane involved in the incident Monday was part of a UN mission aimed at enforcing sanctions against North Korea to encourage the nation to end its nuclear weapons program. The missions, which include Japan, France and the US, are aimed at spotting “evasion activities, in particular ship-to-ship transfers of fuel and other commodities,” according to Ottawa.
Chinese interfering with a UN mission. Nice.

Asturias56 17th Oct 2023 13:55

well since the Chinese don't obey the UN on N Korean sanctions I'm not surprised

golder 18th Oct 2023 05:31

5 Eyes on China.


Lonewolf_50 18th Oct 2023 13:40


The Japanese rail gun project. Progress.

havoc 18th Oct 2023 14:17

Increased harassment of acft
 
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2023...5931697609500/

Asturias56 19th Oct 2023 07:10

"The Japanese rail gun project. Progress."

The wiring doesn't look very robust - nor spray proof.......................

Ninthace 19th Oct 2023 08:01


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11523657)
"The Japanese rail gun project. Progress."

The wiring doesn't look very robust - nor spray proof.......................

I was more surprised it had a muzzle flash.

Lonewolf_50 19th Oct 2023 12:22


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11523657)
The wiring doesn't look very robust - nor spray proof.......................

I get the idea that this is still a prototype. I had a similar thought to yours.
Production model will likely have a shroud or sleeve (composites, with various seals and O-Rings) over the wires and wire harnesses.
If they don't, the corrosive environment of being at sea will finish that thing in a hurry.

Asturias56 20th Oct 2023 08:52

even being within a mile or so of the sea can do in buildings and equipment - but as you say its a prototype. just as long as they remember...............

Lonewolf_50 20th Oct 2023 13:47

From essanews:

The U.S. Department of Defense has released a series of declassified photos and videos featuring dangerous aerial encounters between American and Chinese pilots.
s the Pentagon points out, they depict instances of coercion and risky operational behavior undertaken by the People's Liberation Army of China against American aircraft.
Materials published on Tuesday, October 17, present 15 recent cases of dangerous encounters in the air with Chinese fighter aircraft.
The Pentagon emphasizes that actions were taken against American machines that were "legally operating in international airspace in the areas of the East Sea and South China Sea"... reckless maneuvers, close approaches at high speeds in the air, and the launching of objects and missiles, such as flares.
These appear to have increased in frequency since about 2021.

jolihokistix 21st Oct 2023 03:12

As in the air, or more so, the Chinese repeatedly use their large armed 'coastguard' ships for blocking, challenging and aggression towards ships of Vietnam, the Philippines and Japan, as if they owned the whole place.

Asturias56 21st Oct 2023 08:19

!", as if they owned the whole place."

That is the nub of the problem - they believe they do................

golder 21st Oct 2023 09:34

More 5 eyes. the sit down Q&A

FBI Director Wray and 'Five Eyes' counterparts discuss threats in first joint appearance



Lonewolf_50 21st Oct 2023 14:47


Originally Posted by golder (Post 11525128)
More 5 eyes. the sit down Q&A

FBI Director Wray and 'Five Eyes' counterparts discuss threats in first joint appearance


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqdGceOF8fk

If I get some free time (The Missus is tasking me muchly today) I may get to have a look. Thanks for the link.

ORAC 22nd Oct 2023 17:31

”I fear that a serious crisis is unfolding at Second Thomas Shoal.

China appears determined to prevent resupply efforts by the Philippines, as they did most dangerously in 2014. Read a short summary of that case here:

https://amti.csis.org/counter-co-2nd-thomas-shoal/

Risky days ahead. Buckle up.”

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