Was it really fright(e)ning?
Have always admired the F3.
Looks like something out of Thunderbirds - all that polished aluminium (the earlier ones anyway) and a planform like a steel dart. But did it really deserve it's nickname from a pilot's point of view? I remember reading somewhere that some of the Saudi pilots were literally too scared to fly the thing. Any former drivers with stories to tell? |
Is this a wah?
The nickname frightening was given to the Lightening not the F3. |
I think he meant the Lightning F3, not the later, far superior fighter. :E
|
Marks of Lightning last in service in the UK were the F3, F6 and T5.
|
I think he meant the Lightning F3, not the later, far superior fighter. |
the problem was that the spec was written by people who had been bounced too often from altitude in WW2 - they were never going to be caught like that again
the fact it carried far too little fuel was never thought important personally I was amazed at how they managed to scab on so much extra capacity over the years to fix a basic design flaw |
I always thought that the Lightning started off as a P1, a research vehicle. Because the cock-ups of the British aircraft industry and the Whithall that controlled it the RAF found itself without a supersonic fighter project. The Fairey FD2 would have been the best, the Bristol 188 the worst but Canberra production was going to tail off so the P1/Lightning was botched up to fill the slot.
Despite all this it still managed to have an illustrious career. The last of the sports cars. |
Of course. Interceptor. Sorry.
|
I think few posters here realise that the Lightning led the world in performance at the time of first production. Yes, it was a prototype and only little developed but it out-performed just about every other fighter in its day.
In its later development models the shortage of fuel was not such a critical issue for point defence but it never got either a state of the art radar or a good missile nor did it carry enough of them. Just to put its qualities into perspective, the RAF did not get a fighter that could match either its rate of climb or its' service ceiling until Typhoon appeared some 40-odd years later. Nor did they get anything else so shiny! |
Don't knock the Firestreak and Redtop, for their era they were good missiles.
p.s. I have a large scale (about 18" x 12", I think) photo of the last ever Redtop firing if there are any WIWOLs out there interested. It's been sitting inside it's envelope since I got it over 20 years ago, so it might as well go to a good home. p.p.s. I've a got a smaller framed copy on my wall, so I'm not losing all my memories..... |
Where's BEag ..... Sorry, Lightning Mate, when you need him?
Jack |
Having watched self-styled steely eyed 226 OCU sudents fresh from Valley & Brawdy stagger white and trembling into the line hut after their first ride in a T4 (instructor jolly trip), and blagged 1 trip in a T5 ('sorry sir, can't reproduce the symptoms and need to diagnose in flight') I can confirm it was impressive.
|
The Lightning was designed and built for purpose – point defence in a nuclear war.
Quick reaction, rapid climb, fast, all weather, autonomous operation if required, ECM tollerant radar ~ era, missiles with a high kill rate. Its long service life indicated some success in adaptation, limited more by politics than the willingness to develop it. A photo which I took earlier:- Firestreak vs Jindivik FL480 http://i46.tinypic.com/2e2phxt.jpg Not Frightening – Fantastic ! |
What an excellent photo!
I did hear that there was once a proposal to fit rocket packs into the F1's ventral to give it an ability to reach around FL 900 in a point defence climb against aircraft such as the Myasishchev M-50 Bounder! "Just what we need - less fuel and a greater rate of climb!", quoth one wag. |
Was it really fright(e)ning? I remember reading somewhere that some of the Saudi pilots were literally too scared to fly the thing. Any former drivers with stories to tell? |
I remember reading somewhere that some of the Saudi pilots were literally too scared to fly the thing. And every Saudi 1st T55 solo was followed by a humungous party. They don't, of course, indulge in alcohol themselves; as one explained 'we are so religious that should alcohol touch our lips it immediately turns into water'. |
An earth-bound met-muppet, I found the two Lightning Squadrons [19 and 92] at Guetersloh absolutely awe-inspiring.
As a visiting USAF senior officer said, watching a two-ship vertical climb-out "J E ..........S U S !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
I believe the Lightning even had a data link where the ground controller could control the intercept via the link rather than R/T. We were target on one occasion where the link was down but the controller gave the computer directions by voice.
It was quite instructive: heading such, flight level such, accelerate to Mach 1.6 now, turn to deg now, climb now etc. As we were non-manoeuvring it went like clockwork but I don't if it ever became fully operational. I also remember one exercise where our OC Admin, a Navigator, got a ride in a T-bird (T4) and spent some hours on the ORP at Binbrook listening to the Telebrief - "Raids Imminent" - all the while watching bombers stream through the overhead. No doubt they had been splashed by fighter or SAM. Finally they were scrambled against a target and went to Fl400 where they identified a civair in the Blue Way. Just 40 miles from base they were Bingo and RTB. |
Was due to get a T-bird ride with a mate I went through training with, but on the day it went u/s so I had a trip in the simulator instead. Managed FL930 before it flamed out and was doing Mach 2 in the descent with no engines. I thought that quite impressive! :E
|
I believe the Lightning even had a data link where the ground controller could control the intercept via the link rather than R/T. We were target on one occasion where the link was down but the controller gave the computer directions by voice. The software was still in use in 1975 when I was at Neatishead, but very rarely used. It need 2 controllers to do 4 simultaneous intercepts, whilst a single controller could easily do two; the software was so bad that that for a high speed target the software told you to go to M2 in the the opposite direction to get a 90nm separation before turning back towards the target - which you ignored and flew the "blip" to end up under the commanded position at the final turn. |
All times are GMT. The time now is 18:50. |
Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.