Herc Crew in low flying shocker!
 

Low-flying fright - Dumfries and Galloway Standard


Probably tried after 1700 or at the weekend!! :}

How about we ask pregnant women to wear hi-viz jackets like horse riders do.

The cost of freedom.

No rules were broken - it seems.
 

RAF spokesman said:
No doubt it looked a whole lot lower than 150 feet but I know of no-one who can measure height from the ground up.

Maybe just another NIMBY.

Why would you swerve to avoid something 150' above you?

Do they know something I don't?

If they don't want it 150 foot above them, send it in my direction PLEASE

If it's a boy will they call it Albert?

At 39 weeks, a fly farting could have sent her into labour - get a grip man!

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Must admit I have been given a fright when a tonka has gone screaming over the top from behind me on that road. My only reaction afterwards was to look for the second one.

And in my lorry driving days when things were alot busier in respect to mil training low level I did see several near misses when drivers got a bit of a fright on the M74 with usually jets.

I know this might be a bit of a spoil sport but maybe 150ft over the main arterial road up to Scotland isn't that good an idea. Mind you its been going on for years and there hasn't been an issue before. Everyone screams up that bit of road doing well over the speed limit and its not known to be an accident hotspot.

Nothing that a few signs wouldn't solve though.

:ugh:

Sure, let him/her go into theatre to fly at low level with no training or practice. Great idea.

The RAF have a duty of care to the civilian population. I hope there will be a proper investigation.

What would they investigate?

Man says Herc flew very low over road.

MOD says yes it did and was allowed to.

Investigation over

Shell, it's known as protecting them in times of war. Twaaaat.

As a matter of interest what are those pillocks in the SNP saying about the trainning areas up north. In the unlikely event they get a yes vote are they going to be off limits as well?

If so thats going to be huge amounts of training areas gone.

Reminds me of the way that 30 years or so ago the Buccaneers used to play chicken with trains on the West Coast Main Line over Tebay / Shap.
Story goes that so many drivers went off with stress that BR had to make an official complaint to the RAF to stop the drivers striking
If you're driving a train you can't exactly swerve to avoid a head on collision...

Avitor, You really must prefix your posts with [irony] ;)

Bally heck! That's just brought back a forgotten memory :}

Shell Management,

The RAF also has a duty of care to ensure its crews are properly trained for their operational role. I too hope there will be a thorough investigation. It shouldn't take longer than a couple of days to pull the radar traces and compare those to the auth sheets and then this will be seen for what it really is - another vexatious attempt to screw money out of the government by somebody who clearly has no concept of what the military exists for, but instead sees the opportunity to make a fast buck.

Yes, Basil...I note my post has been deleted, perhaps it was somewhat blunt! Maybe I should have inquired as to what the crew of a Herc were going to learn from low flying over a busy motorway. Prior to Desert Storm I saw US tank busters dive bombing tractors working in fields, I saw the benefits of that excercise but a Motorway and a Herc? Maybe I am missing something?

Well, I live in Dumfries and Galloway and have seen the Hercs and others low flying. All looks legal to me!

Just not low enough and not enough of them!!

Well done boys:ok::ok::ok::ok::ok::ok::ok::ok:

You can use my house as a target any time your passing! Love it when the neighbours think I still have mates in the RAF and have organised them to fly over the village!!

Your neighbours think you have mates, Newt? Don't they know you? :E Sorry, couldn't resist!

Courtney

If this gentleman is unable to drive his car without swerving at the sight of aircrft in the sky then perhaps he lacks the competency to be a taxi driver. Or maybe he's just fishing for compo like the Scottish driver who claimed that my downwash shattered his windscreen. 80ft, 140kts: I think not pal.

Shell Management has been remarkably consistent in his recent posts. Funny how an aircrew hater likes to hang around aircrew forums. Maybe a Jag pilot ran away with his houseboy. I look forward to trying out the ignore function.

I find this hard to believe...I definitely saw a C-130 over Weston-O-G on the same day. So... that means that at least 2 of them escaped the last "review".

As I say...I find this hard to believe.;)

I was driving along the M25 a few days ago and I saw a huge yellow orb in the sky, It frightened living daylights out of me. Held my nerve though...

I seem to recall that when H&S first had a look at RAF low flying, back in the '80's, it was recommended that there would be fewer aircrew deaths overall (peace and war) if we flew lower than 250'. This was deemed publicly unacceptable. Would appreciate confirmation.

Mind you, I once met a climber that had a Tornado scream past him at 250' MSD when he was halfway up a climb, and it turned out I was the pilot. Adrenaline is brown, apparently, so I do sympathise with the Earthlings.

NEWT

KUDOS :D:D:ok::ok:

Can't have the people paying the bills everquestioning how the money is spent! How very dare a member of the public challenge a sky-god. The irony on pprune, of course, is that if the Herc was at 100 feet, the outrage bus would have been fuelled by post 4.

CG

The M74 does go up and down a bit as well, alot more than 150ft.

So I could quite imagine that some corners you could come round and find yourself face to face with an on coming aircraft. And lets face it the Herk isn't the most good looking aircraft from any angle.

You get the same thing on the A9 as well.

And Dumfries is hardly a den of mil haters. Its always had good links with the Lowlands Regiments and I wouldn't be suprised if the recruiting center is one of the busy ones.

Will admit the article is sensationalised crap. But having experenced a brown moment myself with the tonka going overhead I can quite imagine it all being a bit of a shock to the system.

Its only 45 meters and if you think about it your average artic on that road is 4m high and the bulk wagons are 5 meters. So its not surprising that the bloke thought it was lower than it was.

mad jock, Waddya mean, the Herc isn't a good looking aircraft? It looked good to me when I was flying it; albeit many years ago.

I remember once on Maple Flag flying rather low (authorised to 100 ft agl).

In the debrief the gun camera film seemed to show that I was only about 20 feet. When I had to climb up over a train, the QWI reported me to the Boss. I suggested the Boss view my film. He did and noticed that the HUD read R100 so I obviously was at 100 feet agl the whole time. What the Wg Cdr did not know was that I had bodge tape over the rad alt press to test so it read 100 feet, even on the ground!

They have big trains in Canada, Boss & I never broke any rules!

Avitor

Yes , I think you are. You seem to be basing your opinion on the hysterical thoughts of a taxi driver accompanied by his hysterical daughters, one of whom was 39 weeks pregnant. Maybe her unborn infant will grow up to be a pilot as a result of the experience.

Good old shell management, ever the defender of elf n safety at any cost. Just be grateful that there are boys and girls willing to take risks to protect people like you in spite of your obvious bias. Explain "duty of care" when one of their lives is lost saving yours.

Ok would it be better to say it looks fit for purpose and buisness like when coming at you at 250knts?

I am all in favour of low flying but can see that 150ft over a motorway might not be the best idea out there.

Hope they're not holding any of the Herc crew responsible for the pregnancy.

Summed up in one short sentance :ok:

Did he manage to set the speed cameras off :p

"No doubt it looked a whole lot lower than 150 feet but I know of no-one who can measure height from the ground up".

Met. Observers.

Cloud base.

Lots of practice in Scotland, too.

Amazingly accurate, the good ones, enormously helped by feedback from aircrew in circuit, etc.

As a mere forecaster I could only manage to the nearest 1000 ft!

Probably another know it all who thinks a Herc has a wingspan of 30 or 40 feet so it must have been really low to look that big!!

:ok:

She’s 39-weeks pregnant and the shock could have put her into labour.

Could have been much worse - it could have put her into Liberal Democrats .....:eek:

Jack

Could have been even worse than that ... it's probably all been timed to fit in with the school holidays, an early arrival might have really put a spanner in the works :}

Many years ago I was pootling southwards down the A55 to Penmaenmawr and spotted a large aircraft (which turned out to be a Hercules) flying very low over the sea from Anglesey. I watched with bated breath convinced it it was going to hit the hills but to my delight it turned right, climbed and flew between the mountains. I couldn't see the topography properly from my car so had thought it was a solid block of hills, but I enjoyed the whole event. Now, from A Midwife's point of view, 39 weeks is a perfectly acceptable length of gestation for a baby. :ok: Compensation-seeking comes to mind. :*

Must have been a short pootle before you hit the verge...