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AFPRB 2012
Written Answers Friday 10 February 2012 Armed Forces Pay Review Body Question Asked by Lord Craig of Radley To ask Her Majesty's Government whether it is a part of their commitment to the military covenant to implement the recommendations of the Armed Forces Review Body in full.[HL15377] The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Ministry of Defence (Lord Astor of Hever): The Government believe that the recommendations of an independent body such as the Armed Forces Pay Review Body (AFPRB) should constitute an integral part of the process used to determine the pay of the Armed Forces. An announcement about the 2012 Pay Review Body's report is expected to be made shortly. :hmm: |
"And this years pay award is........................................" Ta dah!!!!
A http://www.igin.com/imgs_arts/Resources/Zero.GIF Almost forgot, because stuff is more expensive this year we have decided to put up all housing charges. Oh and we are going to lower all rates for allowances as you don't need the extra money. That's before we make you work as cheap labour security guards at the Olympics. Apart from that I think the AFPRB has looked after your interests well in this years pay review. |
Over the last couple of years the AFPRB headline % increase recommendations have been very close to the headline % specified in the Civil Service Pay remit document issued by HMT. Public Sector Pay - HM Treasury. The Civil Service Pay remit hasn't been issued yet and they are issued at the same time. There is currently a rumour that there is some debate between HMT and Cabinet Office about the Chancellors announcement of 1% increase for the public sector actually means. BBC News - Osborne confirms pay and jobs pain as growth slows Until that's resolved I don't beleive we'll see the AFPRB report. I could bore your with the details of the rumour however I won't.
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Surely the AFPRB will have to take a cut to pensions into account and therefore recommend a significantly increased pay deal.
No?:sad: Really?:ooh: How come?:confused: Oh, I see.:hmm: |
I think that the minister describing the AFPRB as "independent" is stretching credibility somewhat....
It will be interesting to see if any members of AFPRB resign on principle. I believe in their last report they said they were "disappointed" at being told what to recommend (0%) for two years, and looked forward to returning to business as usual. However, they have now been told what to recommend for 4 years in a row, 2 years of 0% and two years of 1% or less. One has to question what is the point of the AFRPB (yes, I know they also look at allowances, charges, specialist pay, etc). Having said that, even in the "good" old years you will find in the first paragraph of an AFPRB report the statement of the remit they have been given, which includes the government inflation target, and how much MOD can afford. Hence they are effectively told the maximum they can recommend (they only recommend, the government awards) from the start, hence they are never truly independent. But will any of them resign - somehow I doubt it! := |
The AFPRB is still required. Who else would recommend increases to accommodation and food charges during a pay freeze? :ugh:
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Remembering of course that a 1% rise in the pay bill doesn't mean that all will get 1%. On the Defence Intranet answering a question that was posed to the Board PUS indicated that some may get more than 1% - others less (or no rise at all). It all depends on where skill shortages etc are!! To widen the scope a little various contractors on PAYD units are starting to make noises as the price that they are allowed to charge for the core menu is fixed by the AFPRB and so during the last year they have been unable to raise prices for food despite inflationary pressues in the retail market (as anyone shopping in their local Waitrose/M&S/Asda etc can confirm). Wait Out
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PAYD at a Lincolnshire base has resulted in a price increase for everything except the core menu since it was introduced in November. Standard of the core menu has reduced drastically in the same period.
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You know, I, nor anyone else, didn't see that coming! PAYD, what a monumental failure...
Sorry, back to AFPRB... |
We are all in this together
Despite being on a pay freeze, it appears other people in the public sector have found a way to still receive pay increases once they reach the top of their pay band. From the Civil Service jobs website link - https://jobsfiles.civilservice.gov.u...OGJhODk4NjllMA==:
Pay progression Existing staff Staff who meet the required performance standard progress to the target rate by means of annual pay award increases effective from 1 July. Pay ranges consist of milestones each of which is worth an increase of 1.02% over the milestone before. Staff who meet the required standards will progress by a minimum of three milestones a year until they reach the target rate. The target rate is the maximum consolidated pay point. Any increases above target rate will be paid as a non-consolidated, non pensionable bonus. Staff on the target rate who have met the required standards will move on to the new target rate and can receive a maximum payment of the value three milestones above the target rate as non-consolidated, non-pensionable bonus. New Entrants New entrants are eligible to receive pay progression subject to having met the required standards. They receive a pro-rata pay award according to their length of service.
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I know the precedent was set previously but it is a shame that service personnel will get less then 28 days notice of their rent and other charges for the coming financial year.
Civilian rents cannot be adjusted in this way but I guess that this will be another example where the 'covenant' means we are disadvantaged compared to the rest of the country. Is anyone keeping a list of the covenant promises broken, perhaps as bingo cards in a manner to keep us amused? |
Remembering of course that a 1% rise in the pay bill doesn't mean that all will get 1%. |
Disgusting.
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It's normally released on or around the 21st March, going from previous years.
My bet is on 1% across the board, with above inflation level increases in food and accommodation charges.... |
My bet is on 1% across the board, with above inflation level increases in food and accommodation charges.... |
My understanding too.
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I appear to have been wishing the years away, you are quite correct as we did get a raise in 2010.
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The wheel does indeed turn full circle; the joys of the early/mid 1970's UK (electricity cuts/3 day week/Public sector strikes) included meagre annual military pay rises which were then obliterated by increased accomodation/food charges, often resulting in a net loss to the individual, compared to the previous year.
When Mrs Thatcher won the 1979 General Election, I seem to recall that we had x2 pay rises in one year; she was HM Forces pin-up girl for a while......... HB |
The original question mentions the Military Covenant.
The Government has established a committee to look into implementation. The Vice-Chair (at least) has e-mailed his constituents seeking input. I answered (in a supportive manner) but wondered if all MPs have sought opinion, just those on the committee, or just mine? |
Just seen the signal, no pay rise for me and accomodation charges are going up, also got a letter stating that from Apr the LOA is reducing and the FFIR rate will remain at 1.14Euro to the GBP, even though the exchange rate has been well above that for at least 3 months. Now looking for the sugar that should have coated the pill........
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Hig, have the major points been released in a DIN then?
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Certainly has -20120313 DIB 2012/14: Armed_Forces_Pay_Award_2012-U
Gericault |
Can someone confirm that there is another cut in LOA?
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I don't know yet if this is pukka
2012 British Military Pay Award Chart but, how come an American website publishes this? |
Office of Manpower Economics - OME
It may have been published on a US website, but the accompanying guff is wrong. It states a cap of 1% for 2012 was imposed....out by a year, 0% this year cap in 2013. |
Jumping Jack, you are absolutely correct - it appears as I have totally screwed the pooch on this one. I miss read a Telegraph article of a few months back.
navycs.com is my hobby, I shall fix this mistake - my apologies to all for any confusion I have caused. Respects, NCCM Tom Goering USN, Retired. |
The reduction of the LSA levels to 180 days is welcome, but that's about it unless you are an SAC or below.
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Wonder why they feel they have to justify food charge increases by citing raises in the RPI, but then don't draw the same conclusion when considering basic pay!
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From the tables under the above link am I misunderstanding something there?
2010: Salary is X 2011: Salary is X 2012: Salary is X Have we been frozen 2 years already? With a third one on the way? I am sure I am being thick and that is not the case, but that is what the table seems to say. Can anyone point out my mistake? |
If they have decided our pensions should be based on CPI then surely they should also use this index for our food/accommodation rates??
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wokawoka,
2010's number is a result of a 2% raise over 2009. 2011 was frozen, but with a £250 increase for those who made £21,000 or less - 2012 is also frozen, but with another £250 increase for those who make £21,000 or less. |
If we add the current 2 year pay freeze to the 2x 1% rises over the period 2013-15 and then take into account Brown's need for public sector pay restraint under Labour to prevent rampant inflation leading to sub-inflationary rises in the 2000s, has anybody worked out what the cumulative net effect on Armed Forces real terms pay has been over the past decade or so?
And frankly, Brown's arguments about the need for pay restraint to prevent inflation taking hold were complete bollox even back then. A decent pay rise in line with inflation - not even above inflation - but in line with it wouldn't even touch the sides when compared with the size of bonuses and rises being dished out in the financial and corporate sectors. Then again, even in recession when our pay has been reduced in real terms, inflation is still rampant in spite of public sector freezes. If Brown couldn't see that other external factors such as commodity prices were more likely to contribute to an inflationary picture than the pay of an average airman, he really was more deluded than I first gave him credit for. |
Thanks for the expelling NavyCS, I can fly but can't count.........
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Having read the report, it seems there will be quite a focus on Specialist pay and how it will be applied under the NEM (New Employment Model) in the future.
Seems they are keen for it to be further linked with retention and recruitment, and are after mechanisms for increasing and reducing it in line with particular specialisations manning levels. Also it mentions the disparity between personnel on specialist pay spines and those receiving specialist pay. Seems they are also keen for it to be renamed to something that reflects its use as a retention mechanism. |
.....and the great Pension raid may just be starting.
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Did anyone post a link yet? If not it can be found here:
http://www.official-documents.gov.uk.../8299/8299.pdf Some strong words on SP: 3.29 We continue to hear concerns about MOD’s announcement that it will completely withdraw SP from those who submit notice to terminate. This could mean, for example, that submariners may be required to serve at sea for several months during their notice period without receiving the same SP as those working alongside them. While we understand that it can be argued that if someone has said they are leaving, SP has not served its retention purpose, we have a particular concern when the situation relates to someone who has already served a full career, so demonstrating the effectiveness of SP in retaining them to date. 3.30 We strongly encourage MOD to reconsider its decisions on reserve banding and on withdrawing SP from those submitting notice to terminate, before the announced cuts come in to effect. The MOD’s strategic approach to recruitment and retention payments, including the respective rationales for pay spines and for SP. It is not clear to us why some groups are on pay spines, which provide certainty of long term payment (which is pensionable), while others receive SP which is in principle a temporary payment (and not pensionable), although in practice the expectation of many receiving it is that it will be permanent. The career-continuous basis of some SP reinforces this and appears to us to resemble a pay spine. Clarity on the underlying rationales would enable a strategic review of their appropriateness in relation to specific cadres and the potential interaction with other return of service commitments including FRIs. |
At least it was recognised as a concern...
"However, we heard widespread concern that the combination of the pay freeze and the significant cuts in MOD allowances such as Home to Duty, while inflation remained high, implied a noticeable reduction in real income for many personnel. Many also robustly questioned whether our decisions not to make recommendations on base pay for those subject to the pay freeze, while making recommendations on accommodation and food charges, were compatible with our role as an independent review body." |
WPH - Just what I said to them...if we're having a pay freeze, pse freeze our charges....:ugh:
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"Para 2.26 In 2010-11 personnel had an average Individual Leave Allowance (ILA) entitlement of 52.5 days,"
An AVERAGE ILA of 52 days?? |
An AVERAGE ILA of 52 days?? |
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