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A big 'BZ' for the formations, Tucano and Hawks. From the pics I have seen it was SUPERB!
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Marching Bands
An excellent display - Both parade and air formations - It was also a relief to see that the RAF band at long last appear to have scrapped their weird busbies for more appropriate headgear. ... |
Well done to all those who paraded today. I was so proud to stand along side you all and represent the Royal Air Force. There was a lot of pressure today to get that parade right and much credability to be lost in front of our sister services. However, the pride and the will of the team to get it right was overwhelming through out the whole of the RAF contingent and we pulled off an amazing public display after a long, tiring week. The Cheers were very well deserved! Well done!
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A very well done to the guys and girls on parade and in the air today, but lets not forget those who were at the home stations preparing, dispatching, and controlling too. Seeing Her Maj's smile with a short clap was priceless... Again Well done!
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Excellent fly-past - typically crap coverage from the BBC , sadly
They seem to be too interested in arty farty views and miss the real imagery |
Airspace
For NOTAM timing, there were 2 weather ships planned to recce the route so a weather call could be made before hand (plus I heard the Albert boys doing a bit of weather checking too). The Typhoons needed to set off about 15 mins before ToT along the route. The weather check ac were slow movers too so the airspace needed to be clear I guess to allow the time to explore the whole area. Sorry for the airspace denial, hope it was worth it.
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Having had a tool around Lincs in really grotty weather at 100kts and 1,000' murk base today I take my hat off to the pros who get there on time and walk the walk. (Or fly the fly if you like) Well done to all involved. Magnificent, although I do miss Raymond Baxter.
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quite right "thing". Heard one of the Typhoon pilots post flypast saying he wouldn't like to be doing that Tucano flypast as it was very marginal in those conditions.
V. impressive and well worth all the hard work I'd say. |
Question for those in the know.
Why is Princess Anne not saluting in the photo half way down this page when everyone else is. Diamond Jubilee: Queen watches Royal Navy, the Army and RAF march through Windsor | Mail Online |
Never mind Raymond .... .... where was the smooth talking Airsound when needed? As it happens, I’ve been trying since autumn 2011 to persuade the Beeb to treat this problem seriously for their Jubilee coverage. This isn’t the first time the Beeb and I have had these conversations. Indeed, I’ve done quite a lot of this sort of stuff for them before, including with the aforementioned and fantastic Raymond Baxter - my commentary mentor. But my powers of persuasion turned out on this occasion to be rather less than I had hoped. I’m still trying to persuade the Beeb that I want nothing more nor less than to have aviation portrayed accurately on telly, especially when it’s involved in big and significant events. But I don’t seem to be doing a very good job. airsound |
Odiham Review
Jujmping back to the earlier discussion of the Coronation Review/Flypast, did anyone point out that it can be seen in moving pictures here?
R.A.F. CORONATION REVIEW ASTRA GAZETTE - British Pathé Plenty of other aviation nostalgia stuff on the Pathe website if you search for it. |
Just watched it on the iPlayer. Outstanding. Well done to all those who took part.
pr00ne, march yourself off to the Tower. :mad: :ugh: |
Keep at them airsound! And name some names. Who are these people in the BBC who think that today's pathos of a commentary was a satisfactory performance? The rest of us can help by writing to their masters.
Nowhere was the inadequacy of the BBC commentary better illustrated than by the question, as the Hawks flew overhead: "Is that ER?" "It's E II R" was the reply from the poor squadron leader who had to support this hapless BBC soul in his monumental lack of situational awareness. "So that's what they were practicing when I visited RAF Valley!" said Snow. What was he doing at RAF Valley if he wasn't getting to grips with their exact contribution to the forthcoming flypast? Exploring the limits of the Mess entertainments account? Perhaps schmoozing with Royalty. He should by today have been au fait with the difficulties of all aspects of mounting that formation, the sightlines in the line abreasts, the IMC operation today, the lot. The airborne camera could barely pick out the formations in the murk. One sentence reflecting those was all that was required from him. And, as he has before, he failed. So keep at them, airsound. Show them this. Everybody else, for Heavens sake write. |
The ignorance of the BBC's reporters about anything to do with the RAF and aviation was irritating.
What I found unspeakably cringe-inducing, embarrassing, vomit making was the interview by the delectable Ms Bruce of the two poor squirming decorated soldiers, VC and GC. "And what exactly was going through your mind when you threw yourself on top of the grenade ......" Ugh! |
Watching the various reruns with immense pride here in the States! Has to be said when we put our minds to it, we really show the rest of the world how things should be done. I shall return to work with the Spams a proud member of HM Forces. As someone said here on Friday 'the US just doesn't do this stuff'.
A real shame the Beeb could not devote as much effort and pride to the show as the troops, and all servicepeople, involved in the ceremony clearly did. Awful camera work, p**s poor commentary (YET AGAIN. It's not difficult to read an E, two Is and an R or is it???) and sloppy fact finding. Dan Snow has done enough of these to know better by now. |
What a spectacle! Totally fitting and carried off with aplomb and considerable style. Beagle, you have proved beyond reasonable doubt with post #63 what a pompous, out of touch @rse you really are. You should be ashamed of yourself. How did you get so bitter? Your comments are offensive and down right ignorant. You of all people should know how much effort is required to get that many aircraft on time, on target. It must have taken weeks of work, and quite right so for our sovereign. To be dismissed as an "insult" by you is frankly, just that. I can understand where Beagle is coming from here, aside from the two signature formations, the only thing to be said about the flypast is that it is yet another marker of a country's spiralling decline. It wasn't impressive because of the degree to which the R.A.F. frontline has been dismantled to pay for the time set conflict in Afghanistan. The display teams and trainer formations were fine, but everything else was way under represented for what one would expect of an air force which is often reported as a beneficiary of the largest defence budget in the West save the U.S.A. FB:) |
FB,
I can't understand where BEagle is coming from, and I think he should apologise. I wouldn't put it in quite such strong language as the previous poster though. However, to describe it as an 'insult' was way off the mark. A lot of my colleagues in a services gave up their day to take part and time to rehearse beforehand to make it what it was. Comments about aircraft numbers from some 'has been' should be seen for what they are. |
high spirits, I consider that the components of the flypast were well constructed and very well flown in less than ideal conditions.
However, I remain of the opinion that the meagre content of the flypast was indeed pathetic. Indicative of the run down state of the operational strength of the UK Armed Forces: No C17s No Sentinels No E-3Ds No TriStar 2 Tornados 2 C130 1 VC10 As for the BBC commentary, where do they find these people...?? |
A fantastic effort and BZ (is that the correct expression and could the gentlemen in the Press Gallery please make a note of my comment?) to all involved, whether marching or flying. This was a tribute from the people the Queen admires above all others to their Commander in Chief, for 60 years of unrelenting duty done. I should just like to add mine, thank you Ma'am!
As to what I think of the Beeb's coverage, it spelled out succinctly the corporate attitude of disdain it has for the military and Royalty; absolute rubbish! No amount of script writing or informed "helpers" will ever turn that around. How have we got ourselves into the position where the broadcaster charged with covering the great national events of this country has such contempt for its traditions and values? I would genuinely prefer Sky or ITV be given the job. At least they would simply bring a commercial attitude with them instead of all the insouciant baggage displayed by the Dimblebys and now, it seems, the Snows. So much more interesting going back indoors to hear what inanity Fiona is about to utter than simply listen to the bands and watch the parade. Grrr! |
Must have been a heck of an Inadvertent IMC plan! Great job by all concerned though, marching, flying and backroom staff. Made me proud, so thank you!
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BEagle
However, I remain of the opinion that the meagre content of the flypast was indeed pathetic. Indicative of the run down state of the operational strength of the UK Armed Forces: No C17s No Sentinels No E-3Ds No TriStar 2 Tornados 2 C130 1 VC10 Anyway, BEagle, it exceeded your expectations in #4, so you should be happy! Perhaps the Diamond Jubilee flypast might run to the BBMF, Reds and 4 TypHoons? But that's probably about all... A great day for our Armed Forces and Her Majesty!:D A Shocker for the BBC who should hang their corporate head in shame!:eek: Foldie PS. If this has all been said before on the previous pages then I merely add weight! |
[QUOTE]Question for those in the know.
Why is Princess Anne not saluting in the photo half way down this page when everyone else is. Diamond Jubilee: Queen watches Royal Navy, the Army and RAF march through Windsor | Mail Online[/nQUOTE] Princess Anne wasn't the only one, several of the RAF didn't either, suppose they didn't know when too. |
Unless HRH The Princess Royal is Grumpy from this thread
http://www.pprune.org/military-aircr...ce-please.html |
I've contacted the BBC about the appalling commentary on the fly past and the march past
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And now The Sunday Telegraph is at it! Apparently the RAF sneaked in early on with a flypast by (the diamond nine) Tornados! And there were even Harriers in the final RAF line-up!
Why don't these bloody people check their facts rather than just trot out what they think! Oh, and evidently, it's Air Vice Marshall these days too! Steam now coming out of ears! Foldie:sad: |
Foldingwings
You should expect that from the Telegraph, they are very good at getting the Tonka and Tiffy mixed up. Last time they did it (about 3 weeks ago when the Typhoons flew into Northolt) some of the comments sent in by the public were priceless. |
Eddy Butler to Dan Snow - if it goes over 500 mph, I can take it, to which Snow comments, observing the incoming helicopter formation - "Well these struggle at that speed" !!!
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There is no doubt that the effort put in by all concerned was well worth it. A clear reminder to the Nation of the significance of our armed forces and thier relationship with their Sovereign and CinC. She was obviously delighted with it all, especially the 60 and EIIR formations. :ok:I did wonder why it was timed for yesterday.... In days past such a signifcant parade I suspect would have been integrated into the main event in early June...showing just how integral the military and HM were to the fabric of the Nation etc. I suspect this is not part of our modern ethos in our consumer and celebrity lead individualistic society
I am with Beagle though, that effort and success shouldn't cloud our judgement to how bad things have become... and may still yet get worse (How many F35s & Tiffs will we have by 2020?). We have thrown too much away in recent years on the back of an unwinnable mega counter-insurgency..... and while well trained soldiers can be recruited and trained over several years, restoring a high tech air power capability takes decades. That suggests a strategic blunder in my opinion, which yesterday's flypast merely emphasised. We have thrown the baby out with the bath water of essential expenditure cuts. I couldn't help but wonder what effort went into getting that Tiff D9 together in the circumstances - well done. I am sure I wasn't the only one to hear the Windsor clock bells chime as the flypast went by...showing who was on time...Baxter would have picked that up!:ugh: I am at one with those bashing the Beeb... its over-emphasis on "productionising" the format with interviews and side events was at best semi-relevant and often totally distracting from the main events. The commentary was revealing of a presenter focused culture (Have you seen the latest "Live" nonesense with Hammond from Africa?) yet providing presenters who are names not experts. Anyone watching the Olympic flame coverage at Culdrose and the next morning would have found similar. Personailities now seem to matter at the Beeb - not research and factual presentation. Our national broadcaster did a pathetic job yestreday - the sound management was particularly abysmal. As Chug says... give it in future to someone who might care from a commercial product perspective at the very least.:sad: |
This to the BBC Complaints today:
The level of commentary and presentation for this programme was very poor. The sound quality was poor and amateurish, particularly relating to the marching bands, and the level of knowledge and preparedness of the commentators was shockingly below the standard expected from such a prestigious organisation as the BBC. Eddie Butler seemed to be operating off a sheet of notes that he never actually related to what was appearing on the screen (eg. He mentioned the Army Air Corps but there were no AAC personnel, recognisable by their sky blue berets, visible on screen at the time). Dan Snow (or Eddie Butler) criticised the RAF flypast for 'keeping everybody waiting' when in actual fact they were bang on time by the clock tower chimes as they flew overhead - the real reason was that the Royal Party had arrived too early and the parade commander had been forced into starting the ceremony before the appointed hour. Additionally, what value was there for this 'Armed Forces Event' in interviewing children about their paintings outside Windsor Castle - I would suggest none! The Armed Forces personnel on the ground and those in the air had rehearsed all week to ensure that this event went without a hitch. It was self-evident that the BBC producers and, sadly for those roped in to face the cameras or the microphones with a half-baked script, had not prepared themselves in like style! The event was a marvel of military precision - the BBC let the military and her Majesty down badly! Foldie:{ |
I seem to remember someone suggested that the Beeb should use amateur aircraft photographers to film this sort of event as the quality of their work is much superior to the professionals
I have a feeling that the BBC use such events as a training event for directors and photographers. Certainly the work looks like it is a 6th Form College project. Perhaps they should go back to the archives and learn to do it properly |
"We are sorry to learn that you did not enjoy our OB coverage from Windsor of the Armed Forces Tribute to HM the Queen.
There are many technical challenges in broadcasting such a large ceremony live from a number of locations as in this instance, and some perhaps were apparent, but there have been few other complaints from that perspective and the BBC considers it on the whole to have been successful. As to production values, the BBC is a national broadcaster that is financed directly by all its viewers. It feels strongly in particular that children and young people should not feel excluded from such a national event and that is why they were specifically included. We will continue to endeavour that they remain so. Thank you for your interest and in communicating your concerns with us" OK, it's not from the Beeb but what I've cobbled up in anticipation. I don't expect their reply will be that much different. Just sufficient to say "knob off fellah, we don't give a stuff what you think", without addressing any specific criticisms. The Beeb will never change itself, it is only their paymasters that will do that. Who are they? Good question! Very good question! |
At least John Nichol would have been able to identify the Tornados;)
Even Murray Walker would have done a professional job. SGC |
Boris Johnson is right - the BBC is deeply and institutionally "left of centre" biased, and this reflects in their coverage of military matters, amongst other things (Question Time, R4, much current affairs coverage, most topical "comedy" etc etc).
The only surprise is that anyone is surprised it is thus so. |
Robin
Like this ??? Link 1977 Trooping the Colour Flypast at 1:50:00 onwards, however note that the commentator places Coningsby to the north west of Lincoln, so they were not that good back then except for the late Raymond Baxter. As for the producers, none of them in my living memory have been any good as these displays, be it ground displays (QCS / Kings Troop RHA /Etc) or flypasts. They always spend most of their time focused on close ups when the display is designed to be seen a distance. |
Excellent and well done. Bang on time from my vantage point at the 'Copper Horse':ok::ok:
Point perfect formations as well.:ok: |
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BEagle,
I still don't understand. What made it an insult? Who did it insult - you? HM? Yep the BBC coverage may have been below average, but you just can't shut down Londons main airport with waves of aircraft. Likewise, you could put up formations of everything we have serviceable in the inventory of a 3 services, but the amount of rehearsal required would jeapordise necessary training for ops. The marching and the flypast achieved appropriate balance. Yes, it is a reflection of how much we have been cut. Was it an insult......? No, I'm afraid you are just plain wrong fella. |
I just look at it and then think of the Parades the likes of starving cash strapped North Korea put on.
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MAINJAFAD:
Like this ??? Link I would follow up I42's commendation of how to organise a military spectacular with your link for the BBC, MJ, of how to broadcast it! The other great attribute of this 1977 coverage is a salutary reminder of how blessed this nation has been to have HMQ as our Sovereign for the last 60 years. Here she was already 25 years into her reign. May she long to reign over us yet! |
I enjoyed it. Whats more seeing HM enjoying it actually brought a tear to my eye. I must be getting old!
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