Hawks Vs Typhoon
 

To the crews of the two Hawks and the Typhoon who were dogfighting over Hawick around 15.00 this afternoon :ok:

Just caught the end of it, after hearing a bit of jet noise over the factory. Who won?

Well the Hawks would have no clue where the Typhoons were for a start. Given the wpn match, I suggest the Typhoons did. In the visual - who cares?

Depends. If you could see them all at the same time, it was a visual fight. Once you're 2v1, as long as you play your game correctly the two should win. Even with just 2xAIM9L and an Aden cannon.

Obviously the Typhoon is in a different league, but even he can't shoot what's behind him - if they did it right.

Or behind her. Other genders are abvailable.

Forget the cannon as the Hawk is extremely unlikely to be able to get anywhere near close enough to the Typhoon for it to be of any use. Unseen Aim9L shot would be its only chance, but even then it would need to be a quick shot before the seen Hawk was toast & the Typhoon reversed the hunted/hunter roles.

What flight sim are you kids playing???

I trust you're not referring to Courntey Mil? As a highly experienced air defence pilot (F-4, F-15, F-3....and Hawk), I think you'll find he knows his stuff!

Utter crap. Stick to being an admin burden (as your name suggests)

No Beags - I'm referring to the others.

I've yet to use the hunted/hunter/toast reversal ;)

I sincerely hope that the Hawks were simulating something other than 9Ls. If not then the Typhoon needs to stop picking on the little kids in the playground and find something better to play fight with.

Thanks, BEags! RG, understood. :ok:

In truth, it's an academic question. Visual combat against a Typhoon can only happen if you can get close to it in the first place (or set it up). The whole point is for the fighter to make the Hawks into scrap metal way before they even know he's there.

Of course, it's still important for Typhoon pilots to practice this sort of thing; it's a good handling/capacity exercise, but (more important) enormous fun. ;)

A kill's a kill.


Courtney

Admin Burden!
 

Hi LAL

Apologies if my initials suggest that I am an admin burden, however having over 4000hrs of airborne time in the Hawk (+ another 3000 in other pointy types), I have been unfortunate enough to have been on the receiving end of Hawk vs Typhoon visual manoeuvring on many occassions & am more than happy to stand by my statement.

Apologies for my presumption!

I have been on both sides of the Hawk/Typhoon fight, and stand by my statement. Granted, the Typhoon should win BVR every time, but by the sounds of it this ex was 2v1 acm in the visual arena. I'm sure you've flown many of these serials in your Hawk and found yourself on the winning side - even if you lost your wingy :ok:

I was in a Raptor and did them all from 40 miles away unseen. I didn't of course but just thought I'd prempt the Americans getting out of bed.

Ar1,

A Hawk would beat a Raptor hands down. If the Raptor managed to get off the ground it would probably posion the pilot due to noxious fumes.

Neither - the mighty SHAR woke from its slumber and shot them both when they weren't looking, prior to giving a world class aerobatics display which ended with sky writing saying 'Fly Navy, Screw Sharkey'... :E

<SHAR exits stage left, bowing to the audience..>

Hmm does the tiffie have a HMS? :E:E:E [one of the Elgin test firings from an F16]

http://www.ausairpower.net/asraam-F5-Collage.jpg

Guess the video of the U turn must still be classified :D

Matra-BAe AIM-132 ASRAAM ASRAAM - The RAAF's New WVR AAM

[yes I know]

I suspect that they chose the "over Hawick" arena due to the fact that if anything fell from the sky no great loss would occur :E

Cheers

Pailmerk

Just gimme a Hunter any day.

I may not get round to killing you any more, but I'll sure die looking prettier than you lot! :E

It would be a vast improvement. :)

Not an expert on the subject, but the two Hawks were trying to keep in close to the Typhoon, but it just kept pulling tight turns and losing them. It wasn't as good as the 2 Lightnings and at least 3 Phantoms I saw many years ago from almost the same spot, but they were a lot lower. The whole town may not have seen it, but they heard it.