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Thanks for the advice. Who appointed you OC Welfare? :)
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I see the USS Ponce is to be decommisioned....
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Hypothetical question
How capable is that carrier / aircraft combination? If it was parked off Syria would it be a credible threat to the much-vaunted attack on Iran - assuming the attack was from the west? |
If even half the Russian ships listed at the TEEJ's link end up in the Eastern Med, it's a very potent force. The a/c and ship combination is good enough to take on anything else around there. I think (and I know I will get corrected) this could be the biggest gathering there since about 1983, apart from a couple of big ops. Yeah, I wouldn't underestimate it. They've come a long way since the collapse of the former Soviet Union.
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I was thinking in terms of taking on a B-2 fitted with those new penetration bombs....
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Time to Interception
2hrs 10 minutes:ok:
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Aha! And here I was wondering what Hermes was doing in the Med this afternoon!
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CM,
So why is it "a very potent force"? I'd be interested to hear your reasoning. While I'm not trying to start an argument, from my perspective I see the following: If you start by ignoring the carrier, that leaves 1 destroyer and a 2 frigates which between them only have short range SAM systems, along with ASW and anti ship weapons. They hardly have the capacity to dominate the airspace around them, and only have 100mm gunfire to offer in terms of effecting events ashore.... As to the carrier itself, how big an airgroup did it actually sail with, how worked up are they, capable of maintaining sustained ops, etc... When did it last spend an extended time at sea? I would suggest this group is significantly different from a US carrier group, with 70+ combat ready aircraft, and at least one escort, probably more, with a 100nm ish SAM system...... Such a naval task force can dominate the airspace around itself. |
Why was he banned?
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Russian Navy Carrier Group Entered Mediterranean
Northern Fleet (NF) aircraft-carrying cruiser Admiral Kuznetsov on Dec 23 passed Gibraltar Strait and entered the Mediterranean Sea. Other ships of the carrier strike group passed the strait few hours earlier. In accordance with further plans, the Russian Navy's task force consisting of NF large ASW ship Admiral Chabanenko, Baltic Fleet (BF) frigate Yaroslav Mudry, and NF tanker Sergei Osipov will pay a formal visit to Spanish port Ceuta. Aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov and other supply vessels in the nearest time will head for anchorage site in western part of the Mediterranean Sea in order to replenish the carrier's supplies. Black Sea Fleet (BSF) frigate Ladny joined the carrier group on Friday, Dec 23....... Russian Navy vessel RKO81 in contact with HQ Black Sea Fleet, Sevastopol (RCV) 12464 RCV DE RKO81 QSA ? QTC @ 1335 RKO81 BT 731 20 26 1600 731 BT SML FOR RJD38 BT 26121 99357 70017 41698 10911 10150 40306 57001 70110 81/// 23262 01170 299// 309// 4//// 88000 80000 26017 BT AR RKO81 K Lat and long from the last three figures of the second and third groups 99357 70017 35.7N 01.7W (Off Algerian coast) 35.7N 01.7W - Google Maps |
SAMXXV,
Some people choose to use the anonimity that this site permits, for sound reasons. I choose not to be anon because I have no reason to be. The identities of any posters should not be the subject of speculation of other members. Quite what you're trying to acheive by your speculation is anyone's guess. People join the forum all the time, it is not for us to try to guess who they are, especially in public. Courtney |
They've come a long way since the collapse of the former Soviet Union Long way to cemetry, as I think |
TEEEJ, Great update, thank you.
Biggus, sorry, I wasn't ignoring your point, just caught up in Christmas. My speculation was more about all the ships that are at sea at the moment and wondering how many of them may end up in the region. The list looked like a lot of Russian hardware COULD make it to the Eastern Med (or further east) in reasonably short order. Just speculating. Courtney |
This is another thread where 'Mossad' is removing my posts so instead of posting a link I will copy and paste some text.. This battle group was deployed to sail to Syria. It has always been planned to go there and I guess we can all understand why but here is the nitty gritty:
Originally Posted by RT.com
Moscow is deploying warships at its base in the Syrian port of Tartus. The long-planned mission comes, providentially, at the very moment when it could help prevent a potential conflict in the strategically important Middle Eastern country.
*The Russian battle group will consist of three vessels led by the heavy aircraft-carrying missile cruiser, Admiral Kuznetsov. Russian military officials insist that the move has no connection with the ongoing crisis in the region and was planned a year ago, the Izvestia newspaper reports. Apart from Syria, the aircraft carrier and its escort ships are set to visit the Lebanese capital, Beirut, Genoa in Italy and Cyprus, says the former Chief of Naval Staff, Admiral Viktor Kravchenko. Nevertheless, he added that the presence of a military force other than NATO’s is very useful for this region, because “it will prevent the outbreak of an armed conflict,” Izvestia quoted Kravchenko as saying. The Soviet Union, the Admiral recalled, created a special naval squadron to deter Western military forces in the Mediterranean Sea. To repair and supply its ships, Moscow needed its own maintenance base in the region, and that was how the base in Tartus came into being. At present, the base is mostly used to support vessels of Russia’s Black Sea fleet. Some 600 military and civilian personnel of the Defense Ministry serve there. |
No problem, Courtney. A further update.
The Russian Navy Morse weather reports have continued on a regular basis. The ships have remained mainly off the coast of Algeria. Some of the vessels conducted a port visit to Cueta, Spain. Transmission from the 29th December for ships RAL46, RKO81 and RAL65. Some of the vessels are now moving further east into the Mediterranean. 29th December. Ship RAL46 12464 RMP DE RAL46 QSA ? QTC K @1244 RAL46 455 16 29 1620 455 BT FOR RJH74 RJH45 BT 29121 99372 10002 41598 30604 10160 40283 53008 70100 8311/ 22213 307// 41603 29013 BT AR RAL46 K RAL46 OK QRU K 37.2 00.2 37.2 00.2 - Google Maps 29th December. Ship RKO81 8345 RMP DE RKO81 QSA ? QTC K @1801 RMP DE RKO81 QSA ? QTC K @1803 RKO81 375 18 29 2200 375 BT SML FOR RJD38 BT 29181 99381 10032 41598 23407 10145 40266 54000 70200 82111 22212 0010. 29920 88000 80000 29015 BT AR RKO81 K RKO81 QRU K From last three figures of second and third groups 99381 10032 38.1 03.2 38.1 03.2 - Google Maps 29th December Ship RAL65 8345 RIW DE RAL65 911 17 29 0411 911 BT FOR RJH45 RJE73 RJH74 BT 29101 99357 70025 41/98 92706 10150 40375 54000 70222 89/// 22262 00140 20302 29013 BT RAL65 K From last three figures of second and third groups. 35.7 02.5 35.7N 02.5W - Google Maps Image links of the following ships. RFS Admiral Chabanenko, Cueta, Spain ImageShack® - Online Photo and Video Hosting RFS Yaroslav Mudry, Cueta Spain ImageShack® - Online Photo and Video Hosting |
I'm with Courtney on this. Excellent updates from TEEJ.
Big thanks from here too! |
The identities of any posters should not be the subject of speculation of other members.
Why is that? Who made you the boss here? |
Its why we have aliases Elmo.
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From the FAQ's
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No problem, Scuttled! Thanks.
Ship, callsign RAL65, has now left the Mediterranean and is heading north off the coast of Portugal. 12464 RIW DE RAL65 QSA ? QTC K @ 1238 RAL65 641 16 31 1602 641 BT FOR RJH45 RJH74 BT 31121 99406 70111 41498 72707 10190 40430 52015 70322 873// 22212 00110 20302 31013 BT AR RAL65 K From the last three figures of the second and third groups 99406 70111 40.6N 11.1W 40.6N 11.1W - Google Maps Currently at Valletta, Malta is the RSF Ladny (Frigate) and RFS Sergei Osipov (Oiler) From Malta Ship & Action Photos by Capt. Lawrence Dalli January 2012 i) On Monday 2nd January, 2012 the Russian Navy (Project 1135) Krivak Class Frigate RFS LADNY 801 is leaving Malta from alongside RFS SERGEI OSIPOV at Parlatorio Wharf, Palumbo Malta Shipyard Ltd. ii) On Monday 2nd January, 2012 the Russian Navy (Project 1559/1593) Boris Chilikin class Fleet Oiler RFS SERGEI OSIPOV is leaving Malta from Parlatorio Wharf, Palumbo Malta Shipyard Ltd. |
I have never seen a Russian carrier launching\recovering aircraft but looking at the position where heavier aircraft take-off then the turn around of aircraft is not going to break any records and how many fully laden aircraft could they park on the deck waiting to take off?
Such a large ship but no catapults!! A slightly smaller ship but was she a superior vessel? :\:D(Gone but not forgotten) This post is here to highlight how a ship with steam catapults is probably a better option than the Russian or even our own through deckers. The Russian ship can allegedly carry a few more aircraft but getting them off the deck in a hurry would be interesting to watch http://stat001.ameba.jp/user_images/...0259716855.jpg I have highlighted the rear most take off slot for her heavier aircraft and as per a previous post I have still not seen any footage of any type of aircraft taking off from this Russian carrier with anything near a max weapon load! Rumours abound that the Russian carrier is allegedly going to be modernised, her boiler system removed, gas turbines installed and that ski jump replaced with catapults!! Nothing like good old fashioned scuttle-butt however that type of conversion will be more than a days work!! I would really appreciate input from Fod-Plod on the amount of work involved as to me it would appear to be a major task and if the boilers come out then I would ask, have the Russians 'borrowed' the design drawings for the American EMALS electromagnetic launch system.. Hopefully this thread will not drift toward the SH*R topic :oh: https://dl-web.dropbox.com/get/ulyan...jpg?w=008ce3d5 |
Update on the Russian Task Force. The Morse Meterological and Oceanographic messages continue.
1st January on 8345 KHz @ 18 GMT Callsign RKO81 36.2N 14.7E 36.2 14.7 - Google Maps 2nd January on 8345 KHz @ 00 GMT Callsign RKO81 36.0N 16.1E 36.0 16.1 - Google Maps 2nd January on 8345 KHz @ 00 GMT Callsign RAL65 39.8N 11.4W 39.8N 11.4W - Google Maps 2nd January on 12464 KHz @ 12 GMT Callsign RAL65 39.7N 11.1W 39.7N 11.1W - Google Maps Frigate Ladny and Oiler Sergei Osipov left Malta this morning. The 6th of January should see some exercise activity near Greece. Russian Navy to carry out exercise in Mediterranean A division of Russian Navy ships, headed by The Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft-carrier of the Northern Fleet, has come to an agreement with the Greek military about exercises in the Mediterranean Sea. The exercises are to begin on the 6th of January, a spokesman for the Greek Central Headquarters reports. According to the Greek military, the Russian division has not arrived at the site yet. The Russian ships set out on a trip on the 6th of December and carried out several exercises of on-board aircraft. Apart from The Admiral Kuznetsov, other ships of the Northern, Baltic and Black Sea Fleets are taking part in the trip. From Russian Navy to carry out exercise in Mediterranean: Voice of Russia Russian Navy Delegation Visited Greece |
Great work again, TEEEJ. Can we now safely disband GCHQ and leave it all up to you? If you're in the market for any other listening jobs, I might have some work for you. :ok:
Seriously, thanks for the update. |
Worrying times. I saw some stock charts last week from 1913 and 1938 and they were very very alike. Then the 2011 chart was overlaid and it was oddly similar. Same with gold. It could be just a fluke but some think it portends global conflict just as it did in the years before WW1 and 2.
With economic woes in Europe, a bubble popping in China, economic issues and huge debts in the US and a potential third term for Putin, Iran getting close to Nukes, Syria imploding etc - there are many catalysts for the next global war. I would start stocking up on the beans, water, shotguns and rice. 2012 promises to be a game changer in my humble view. What better way to fix your economic woes than going to war!? |
Hi Courtney,
No problem. Lots of amateur radio enthusiasts in Europe and in the US are monitoring the Russian Task Force. For the Russians they have publically stated that the Task Force is not about Syria or support of Assad. The Russian Task Force is on a bit of a goodwill jolly on this planned deployment. It certainly features a lot of port calls! The meteorological and oceanograpic Morse transmissions were a feature of all the past Russian Carrier Task Force deployments in recent years. This Task Force is slightly larger and they have assigned three vessels to collect the data. The hard part is linking up the callsigns to a specific ship. The transmissions are in easily decodable international format. See following. http://www.vos.noaa.gov/ObsHB-508/Ob..._compliant.pdf RAL65 message from 31 Dec 2011 at 12 GMT hour 31121 99406 70111 41498 72707 10190 40430 52015 70322 873// 22212 00110 20302 31013 BT AR RAL65 K The interesting parts of the transmissions are the lat and long, course and speed. Second and third groups 99406 70111 40.6N 11.1W (If the third group starts with 1 then it denotes Easterly. 7 for Westerly) The 222?? (22212) group is for course and speed. (RAL65 was on a NE course and travelling between 6 and 10 Knots. 1st figure Code 0 = Ship hove to 1 = NE 2 = E 3 = SE 4 = S 5 = SW 6 = W 7 = NW 8 = N 9 = Unknown / = Not reported 2nd figure Code 0 = 0 Knot 1 = 1 - 5 Knots 2 = 6 - 10 Knots 3 = 11 - 15 Knots 4 = 16 - 20 Knots 5 = 21 - 25 Knots 6 = 26 - 30 Knots 7 = 31 - 35 Knots 8 = 36 - 40 Knots 9 = Over 40 Knots / = Not reported The three ships transmitting weather data are RAL65, RKO81 and RAL46. Ship RAL46 ceased transmissions and two ships make a port call at Malta ( Frigate Ladny and the oiler Sergei Osipov). After being underway for a period of time callsign RAL46 reappeared with weather traffic. Frigate Ladny is Black Sea Fleet and I can't see her having any involvement with HQ Northern Fleet? Ladny went to Ceuta, Spain after a port call in Toulon, France. Going back to the first RAL46 transmission heard from the Atlantic on 21st December 2011. RIT DE RAL46 BT 715 19 21 1614 715 BT FM RAL46 21121 99367 70096 41498 80207 10160 40310 53010 70211 884// 22233 20801 302// 41002 21014 BT AR That placed her in the Atlantic and working with HQ Northern Fleet.(RIT) 36.7N 09.6W RAL46 appears to be RFS Sergei Osipov. RKO81 is controlled primarily by HQ Baltic Fleet Headquarters.(Callsign RMP). This narrows it down to either the Frigate Yaroslav Mudry or the tanker Lena. Interfleet task force was formed in the Moray Firth when the Baltic Fleet (BF) task unit consisting of frigate Yaroslav Mudry and tanker Lena joined the force. From Warships, Supply Vessels of Russian Navy’s Carrier Group Move on Through Atlantic >> Naval Today RAL65 initally entered the Mediterranean and then left after a short period. There is rumour on a Russian forum that the Admiral Chabenenko has been recalled after a port of call in Ceuta, Spain. RAL65 could be the Chabenenko or a tanker in support? RAL65 has been noted off Portugal for the last few days and now appears to be moving north. Either this is a port of call to Brest, France or it is returning home and possibly via the English Channel? Scramble the Nimrods! OK maybe just the Fleet Ready Escort? Update for 3rd January. 3rd Jan 00 GMT RAL46 34.9N 21.4E Bing Maps - Driving Directions, Traffic and Road Conditions 3rd Jan 06 GMT RAL46 34.7N 24.7E Bing Maps - Driving Directions, Traffic and Road Conditions 3rd Jan 12 GMT RAL46 34.6N 23.8E Bing Maps - Driving Directions, Traffic and Road Conditions 3rd Jan 06 GMT RKO81 34.8N 22.1E Bing Maps - Driving Directions, Traffic and Road Conditions 3rd Jan 12 GMT RKO81 34.7N 22.1E Bing Maps - Driving Directions, Traffic and Road Conditions 3rd Jan 18 GMT RKO81 34.6N 23.6E Bing Maps - Driving Directions, Traffic and Road Conditions 3rd Jan 12 GMT RAL65 43.4N 09.8W Bing Maps - Driving Directions, Traffic and Road Conditions 3rd Jan 18 GMT RAL65 44.4N 09.1W Bing Maps - Driving Directions, Traffic and Road Conditions |
Thanks for the info, TEEEJ. I filled my brain up with met stuff in pilot training - enough to read an airfield actual and TAF. This is a whole different ballgame. The link to the NOAA handbook was very interesting too. I gather from your posts that you're reading these in morse too! Again, I had to learn that in pilot training, but managed to forget it all the day after the exam! I'm impressed!
Please keep up the great work! Courtney |
Hi Courtney. No problem. The Morse is only around 12 words per minute. Sometimes up to 16 wpm. I can copy up to about 30 wpm. There are a lot of amateurs radio guys copying the Task Force at the moment.
Update for 4th January 12464 RIW DE RAL65 QSA ? QTC K @ 1207 RAL65 341 16 4 1601 341 BT FOR RJH45 RJH74 BT 04121 99470 70070 41498 82811 10140 40410 51010 70322 883// 22272 00110 20707 04013 BT AR RAL65 K RAL65 (RFS Admiral Chabenenko or support vessel?) 47.0N 07.0W 47.0N 07.0W - Google Maps 4th January 06 GMT RKO81 (RFS Yaroslav Mudry or RFS Lena) 34.6N 25.8E 34.6N 25.8E - Google Maps 4th January 00 GMT RKO81 34.6N 24.7E 34.6N 24.7E - Google Maps 4th January 00 GMT RAL46 (RFS Sergei Osipov) 34.6N 26.2E 34.6N 26.2E - Google Maps One Amateur Radio enthusiast has picked up a very nice find. Only a partial call with a possible R in it. 4th January 00 GMT ???98 34.9N 35.8E Located off Tartus, Syria. 34.9N 35.8E - Google Maps |
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I read http://www.vos.noaa.gov/ObsHB-508/Ob..._compliant.pdf and i try to find the other groups.
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Thanks for the info
Thanks for the info TEEEJ.
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Hi Teej,
Why do you think Russia is trying to deny the destination of this battle group when for many months they have been quite happy to tell the World about this so called planned deployment? Do you know if the ocean going tug is still in company with the carrier? :) |
glojo,
Try using ..... Live Ships Map - AIS - Vessel Traffic and Positions and type in Nikolay Chiker. That will show you where the tug is, or at least it did 2 minutes ago. |
No problem. GAVRO.
NOTAM for the exercise in the Mediterranean. Start : 2012-01-02T08:00:00 End : 2012-01-06T16:00:00 Lower : 0 Upper : 270 Location : Europe(35.8,20.5) - Radius 50nm Code : QWMLW Traffic : IV E) JAN 02 05 0800-1600, (ALTERNATIVE JAN 03 06 0800-1600). RUSSIAN NAVY AND AIRFORCE WILL MAKE A WITHOUT FIRING EXERCISE WITHIN ATHINAI FIR AS DESCRIBED BELOW: 1.-EXERCISE AREA (WITHOUT FIRING): 361240N0193802E 362406N0195735E 354522N0211928E 352406N0212153E. VERTICAL LIMITS: SCF-FL270. 2.- PROCEDURE FOR EXERCISE AIRCRAFT: 2.1.- EXERCISE ACFT WILL FLY VFR-VMC IN ACCORDANCE WITH ICAO RULES AND PROCEDURES AS AMPLIFIED IN AIP-GREECE. 2.2.- EXERCISE ACFT WILL SUBMIT FLIGHT PLANS AND WILL ESTABLISH CONTINUOUS RADIO COMMUNICATION WITH ATHINAI CONTROL FREQ 134,325 OR 124,625 AND EMERGENCY FREQ 121.5 OR 243.0 AND WITH ATHINAI FIC FREQ 119,750. 2.3.- PRIOR COORDINATION WITH APPROPRIATE ATC UNITS IS REQUIRED IN CASE EXERCISE ACFT EXPECT TO ENTER CONTROLLED AIRSPACE. |
Glojo wrote
Why do you think Russia is trying to deny the destination of this battle group when for many months they have been quite happy to tell the World about this so called planned deployment? The callsign noted sending weather off Tartus, Syria might not be a part of the Task Force or a major warship? There are Russian Navy support platforms based at Tartus and this will also include small vessels. Admiral Valentin Selivanov revealed in November. "In Tartus now there aren't any our ships. There is only our floating workshop and storage platform. A month ago also there came the Black Sea Fleet patrol ship "Smetlivy", but she has already returned to Sevastopol. I won't provide a link to the above as it sparks off my malware software warning. It has been mixed messages over the past week or so in the Russian media. Some sources say no Tartus visit and others say a small visit. They are obviously very aware that positioning the Task Force in Syrian waters will send out the wrong messages to the international community. The last thing the Russians want is for Assad to interprete this deployment as direct military support and that he can safely ramp up the crackdown on his citizens. From the Russian backed UN draft. The draft demands that "all parties" in Syria stop violence. But it also includes a new reference to "disproportionate use of force by Syrian authorities", in what is seen by some analysts as toughening of Moscow's position towards Damascus. From BBC News - Syria crisis: Russia circulates surprise UN resolution |
BIGGUS, TEEJ
Thank you both very much and it does look like she is still all present and accounted for :) I understand what you are saying TEEJ and I guess they do not realise it looks silly to deny the obvious, plus the ships are all visiting the planned ports of call that were also published. Apart from that then it must surely be in the interests of ANY nation to protect its citizens that are 'trapped' in an alleged 'battlezone' ;) |
TEEEJ where did you find the information about exercise in the Mediterranean, these NOTAM?
Regarding ruvr : The exercises are to begin on the 6th of January, in NOTAM are other data. |
Hi GAVRO,
The exercise is still being published for the 6th. I was referring to the flight exercise in the NOTAM. Russian Navy to carry out exercise in Mediterranean: Voice of Russia 4 January 18 GMT RAL65 47.0N 06.0W Heading North East at 6-10 Knots. 47.0N 06.0W - Google Maps My last update as I will be offline until next week. |
HI TEEEJ,
Great Work I undeserstand that in other fligt exercise, OK?, but I not understand how is transmitted this NOTAM...os on radio or is published on site? |
Much to my surprise this battle group has now arrived in Syria and will probably remain in port for at least the next six days.
On Sunday, a large Russian naval flotilla led by an aircraft carrier was docked in the Syrian port of Tartous in what Damascus state media hailed as a show of solidarity by its Cold War ally. The Russian naval flotilla aircraft led by an aircraft carrier docked in the Syrian port of Tartous. |
Great work again TEEEJ.
I wait new information about Russian Navy ships. |
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