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Someone is in trouble...:=

On the plus side, they could fill 125,000 jerry cans for use in kero heaters with it.

Who said it is anything to do with the RAF?
 

Have it on the QT that not an Air Force instigated c**k up....look towards the Really Large Corp....:} However, should have been caught in other areas of the fuels QA system!

Indeed. Check blend then refractometer check before commencing full blending operation was the standard procedure I was trained to do and practiced when carrying such tasks.

Then again, if it was Rejects Last Chance who were performing the blending operation its quite possible the "all fuel is the same isn't it?" attitude that I saw displayed on so many occassions by the RLC may still be an issue or just the fact they haven't been trained or were cutting corners.

No doubt someone at West Moors is currently either scratching their head over how to remove the anti-freeze or is punching number to work out just how much 'clean' fuel would need to be added in order to blend the lot within Def-Stan limits, if a dilution blend is even possible for anti-freeze (I've never heard of a major anti-freeze contaimnation like this, not even sure if it can be blended out).

As for the contaimination being caught elsewhere, it depends upon the overall ratio of anti-freeze to avtur (which if the blending rig was set up correctly would have been blending 1-800, if my memory is correct) and its effect on the SG of the blended product. Refractometer tests are not a standard 'point of issue' test, rather they are performed only daily on the bulk stock and, as mentioned, during the actual blending process. Yes a daily check should have caught it (which it perhaps eventually did) but if the fuel were issued forward without being subject to the required settling embargo then retest this could be how it slipped through the net.

Having had to 'clean-up' mistakes by the RLC in the past with regards fuel contaimination (especially a very serious one that caused the quarantine of all bowsers and blended fuel stocks at the UKs only Mediterranean staging point) I wouldn't be surprised if it was them dropping the ball but then again, I've had to sort out mistakes by Suppliers before too.

All is not lost....

I met a Falklands farmer who made fuel for his diesel generator by mixing aviation fuel with engine oil (not for his tractor though). Looks like cheap electricity for a while.:ok:

A serious kicking? Surely that is against the MOD's policy on bullying. I reckon if they kicked me I would put in a service complaint about the treatment meated out to me.

Karma, that seals it, having seen your post re BN .......... you're a troll :=

Top Bunk

" Karma, that seals it, having seen your post re BN .......... you're a troll"

I was thinking the same thing.


Karma
Have you thought he might not have been talking literally ???????

However, that said, sometimes being taken behind the shed for a thick ear and yes, "serious kicking" by the Platoon Sgt has much more effect than any verbal roasting or charges. I think you need to HTFU.

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I don't agree 500n, you see bullying is insidious and corrosive and is the very antithesis of the principle of self-discipline and the concept of teamwork on which so much of the success of the armed forces is founded. I do however, accept that there is a fine line between unnecessarily overbearing behaviour and the robust approach to training and discipline that the armed forces have to take to prepare their people for the harsh environment in which they operate.
No one, and that includes you, should be in any doubt that bullying has no place in the armed forces under any circumstances.

Karma
Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I am not for bullying but many a young soldier or newly commissioned officer has probably come good because the Sect Cmd or Pl Sgt took them behind the Pl Office one day for a bollocking when they stuffed up badly. Hard but fair.

I know I am out of touch with modern day SNAG's and society in general but the odd clip around the ear at school and "tough love" from an Ex Vietnam era RSM who was now a Capt and the Pl Sgt didn't do me any harm at all, in fact they probably put me on the right road.

A few of the Rioters screaming "what about my rights" could do with a bit of a thick ear to make them think twice about doing it again or are you one of those that lays the blame at everyone else but the individual ??????
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Nothing wrong with a bollocking. But why do it behind the office? Why not just call them into the office and bollock them there?

As for the rioters, they are receiving the prison sentences that they deserve and so some of them will think again.

Karma
Do you take everything literally.

"took them behind the Pl Office" is a figure of speech. I just meant out of sight of everyone.

I am sure some of the posters on here received similar bollockings from RSM's, CSM's, SWO's etc or given them in the past.

Have you ever served in the any military ?

Does the SAS count?

Biggest regiment in the world :ugh:

Am I the only one who hasn't served in the SAS.?



Been to the SAS hotel in Bodo, does that count?........

Karma, you've clearly made many friends here since you joined 10 days ago, or perhaps this is a new persona. Our professional colleagues in the special forces are very reticent and wouldn't post in the way you have.

As you're clearly a total fraud, why don't you crawl back to the Special Aholes Section where you belong.

Regards, Scally

We must have met then Karma. No I wasn't in the SAS but I ran a shop selling medals and militaria for 12 years and I had a different one of your mates in just about every day. Of course it was always a tap on the side of the nose, a wink, or "I'm not supposed to talk about it" but I was always in no doubt what they were.........





........W****RS!

To meet Defstan 91/91, the fuel must consist solely of hydrocarbons and approved additives. Industrial antifreeze will be glycol based, and is therefore neither an approved additive nor a hydrocarbon. No amount of blending could restore it to spec.

Generally, contaminated kero can be used as a viscosity cutter for fuel oil or a cold property improver gas oil blend stock. Severely contaminated kero can in some instances be re-refined. However, the remote location and relatively small quantity involved means it would be uneconomic to ship out, so I suspect it will end up being used locally as a heating oil.

M9 :8

Difference between 7 days rop's and handing over 200 beer tokens vs a wee 'chat' with the badge or troop S/Sgt and a couple of bruises....

Most lads back in the 80's army would take the chat, which 99% of the times pretty much settled the whole issue, and didn’t waste the beer tokens.


There as also the 'dice' (a pair of large fluffy dice) which the AO used to have along with a book of excuses, if your excuse/lie wasn’t in the book (it soon went in though) you got away with the crime, if it was then you got to roll the dice. Throw a double 6 and you were home free, any other combo left the first number being multiplied by the second number to make up the number of extra duties coming your way.

The rumours that the dice were weighted to favour the number 5 were never proved...

Thanks for that Mariner9. I didn't think it could be blended out but I was running purely off memory so couldn't be sure.

Been awhile since I last tangled with the beast that was the PPTK and with my head currently being filled with clinical practice knowledge my previously comprehensive knowledge of the 'exciting' world of fuels is being forced out.:}