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RAFEngO74to09 3rd Mar 2019 14:48

Cell phone video posted 1 Mar 19:

RAFEngO74to09 3rd Mar 2019 15:02

More extracts from recent social media posts - with photos - published in the The Aviationist:

https://theaviationist.com/2019/02/2...-social-media/

TEEEJ 3rd Mar 2019 17:49

1st March, Death Valley.

Davef68 3rd Mar 2019 23:48

Distraction from something else?

treadigraph 4th Mar 2019 09:13

Well, I didn't see that coming...

unmanned_droid 4th Mar 2019 12:34

And now there's a rumour that 4x F-117 aircraft were sent on a combat mission over Syria in 2017, using SDBs.


Rhino power 4th Mar 2019 13:28


Originally Posted by unmanned_droid (Post 10406537)
And now there's a rumour that 4x F-117 aircraft were sent on a combat mission over Syria in 2017, using SDBs.

Is that the same four that have already been mentioned in post #118?

-RP

unmanned_droid 4th Mar 2019 19:14


Originally Posted by Rhino power (Post 10406577)
Is that the same four that have already been mentioned in post #118?

-RP

Yup. My deepest apologies.

Still, it's BS.

chopper2004 18th Mar 2019 13:24

The Dark Knights
 
Supposdedly, one of the recently seen F-117A has 'Dark Knights' on its fin stripe thus leading to the conclusion a unit by this name is operating it. Safe to say the previous 37th/49th FW never had a squadron nicknamed the 'Dark Knights'.

https://airforcesmonthly.keypublishi...Pppk-e9N_Ker4k

unmanned_droid 18th Mar 2019 17:04


Originally Posted by chopper2004 (Post 10422473)
Supposdedly, one of the recently seen F-117A has 'Dark Knights' on its fin stripe thus leading to the conclusion a unit by this name is operating it. Safe to say the previous 37th/49th FW never had a squadron nicknamed the 'Dark Knights'.

https://airforcesmonthly.keypublishi...Pppk-e9N_Ker4k

Great photo.

I would think that there are a couple of aircraft supporting testing activities and I guess they've got to be operated by someone. Or, it's to mess with the guys out camping in the desert waiting for them to fly over.

chopper2004 19th May 2020 01:01

Californian dreamin’
 
Appears the Wobbly Goblin plus Edwards based NKc-135 have been out to play off the coast.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...lifornia-coast

cheers

The AvgasDinosaur 19th May 2020 08:30

In the linked article it states that it is legally mandated that the F-117 must be destroyed by the end of this decade!
Why under what legislation??
could someone please explain.
Thanks
David

Stuff 19th May 2020 09:15

From: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...last-two-years


Until 2016, there was a legal requirement to keep the F-117s in so-called "Type 1000" storage, meaning that they would be maintained in a state where they could be returned to active service relatively quickly, if necessary. The annual defense policy bill, or National Defense Authorization Act, for the 2017 Fiscal Year nullified this and replaced it with the four-per-year disposal plan. The Air Force Life Cycle Management Center at Wright Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio subsequently developed what it calls a "migration plan" for how to get rid of the F-117s.
I have no idea how accurate that is. If you google for the Act mentioned it doesn't seem to say 4 a year anywhere https://www.congress.gov/114/crpt/hr...114hrpt840.pdf

Martin the Martian 19th May 2020 12:49

Very, very interesting article on the F-117 and the RAF in the June edition of The Aeroplane. Well worth a read.

gums 19th May 2020 13:33

Salute!

Not surprising, or maybe it is, but somebody realized we had a 2nd generation low observable platform to use for training and development of tactics when future adversaries have LO platforms, manned and UAV's.

Gotta talk with some of my friends that flew the things, but previous rejoins seem to indicate that the 117 was more optimized for surface-to-air systems than A2A. And that makes sense, as our primary threat at the time was heavily dependent upon good GCI to get interceptors into a firing solution.

Some of us have questioned using F-35's in Red Flag, as "exposure" can be exploited by potential adversaries. Better to keep the actual capabilities as "hole cards", huh?

Gums sends...




Airbubba 21st May 2020 00:32


Originally Posted by chopper2004 (Post 10786438)
Appears the Wobbly Goblin plus Edwards based NKc-135 have been out to play off the coast.

Looks like they were out again today with the tanker from these radio logs:

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....7bdb0a479f.jpg

MilRadioComms - Military Radio Frequncies, HF, VHF, UHF



Green Flash 21st May 2020 07:01

The wobblies plus tanker out and about in broad daylight https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...lifornia-coast

AR1 23rd May 2020 16:03

This thread is a blast from the past. The amount of DMs I got questioning me over the (what I thought was a) blatant wind up re marshalling with blindfolds was unreal. It even made it into ARRSE.




gums 23rd May 2020 18:47

Salute!

As one of my foreign students in a old plane said after a long briefing by an IP trying too hard to make points for his annual checkride, walking out to the planes....

"What he say?"

Other student calmly replies, "we go fly now."

Anybody know what AR1 was saying?

Gums asks...



AR1 23rd May 2020 20:02


Originally Posted by gums (Post 10791277)

Anybody know what AR1 was saying?

Gums asks...

Post #45 this thread Gums.

T28B 3rd Jun 2020 21:12

Another article on F-117, this one about its air to air role.
https://theaviationist.com/2020/06/0...th-pilot-says/

Ewan Whosearmy 20th Jul 2020 17:38

Not convinced about the F-117 having a secret HVA air-to-air role. Chris Topham was asked the question directly and he said that while it could carry the AIM-9, it had no way of employing it:


etudiant 21st Jul 2020 02:20


Originally Posted by Ewan Whosearmy (Post 10842141)
Not convinced about the F-117 having a secret HVA air-to-air role. Chris Topham was asked the question directly and he said that while it could carry the AIM-9, it had no way of employing it:

https://youtu.be/lJkRREyPXA4

That seems quite consistent with the Aviationist article, which indicates the idea was there but never implemented.

Dan Gerous 21st Jul 2020 10:06

I got in on a visit to the sneaky site at Khamis after GW1, and asked one of the pilots if they did any Air Combat training on the F117 . He said they didn't do any. At least we got an answer to that one, as I think some of the questions we asked were a bit to sensitive to answer.

LOMCEVAK 21st Jul 2020 11:45

I have seen a picture of a test firing. As I recall the missile was lowered from the bomb bay on the trapeze and then fired. I do not know whether this was a boost non-guided firing or a guided launch.

Tashengurt 21st Jul 2020 13:20

I heard a podcast in which the ex F117 guy said they had a plan to target Mainstays if war broke out.

chopper2004 21st Jul 2020 22:14

Austrian incursion
 
work up to Iraqi Freedom ....then again if the Bundesheer receivers their Typhoons at the time ...wonder if could be tracked on a numerous way..

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...trian-airspace

NutLoose 24th Jul 2020 00:18


Originally Posted by Martin the Martian (Post 10786836)
Very, very interesting article on the F-117 and the RAF in the June edition of The Aeroplane. Well worth a read.

There was, the Uk were offered them but declined

RAFEngO74to09 17th Aug 2020 01:15

At least 4 x F-117s used as Red Air on Red Flag 20-3:

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...rial-war-games

chopper2004 21st Oct 2020 17:12

Miramar visit
 
Pair of them landed at MCAS Miramar with callsigns of ‚Knight‘ and it was no emergency divert either.

https://theaviationist.com/2020/10/2...fDgLpHf5r4oxjM


RAFEngO74to09 23rd Oct 2020 13:49

Excellent video here showing 2 x F-117 departing MCAS Miramar on October 22:


RAFEngO74to09 1st Nov 2020 01:36

Now spotted at Nellis AFB too:

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....45269884a5.png

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....790c3977f0.png

sandiego89 2nd Nov 2020 13:49

Neat to see them still flying.

Didn't the 117 fleet go to a gray scheme when at Holloman and until their supposed retirement? Seems all the more recent sighting are in the black scheme (which looks better). Wonder why the switch back to black?

Ewan Whosearmy 2nd Nov 2020 16:12


Originally Posted by sandiego89 (Post 10917270)
Neat to see them still flying.

Didn't the 117 fleet go to a gray scheme when at Holloman and until their supposed retirement? Seems all the more recent sighting are in the black scheme (which looks better). Wonder why the switch back to black?

IIRC, they only painted one grey.

unmanned_droid 3rd Nov 2020 00:00

Yes the gray scheme was a test and wasn't adopted. I think there may have been more than 1 in Gray and more than 1 scheme according to something I've read on the net.

Edited to add:
Article about the 'Gray dragon' here:

https://theaviationist.com/2013/02/2...-dragon-story/

Comments further down make reference to a 'Gray Ghost' aircraft included in trials in the mid 1990s from someone apparently there.

There was also a 'desert' scheme on one F-117A.

NutLoose 3rd Nov 2020 20:11

And one with a big flag underneath.

Davef68 9th Nov 2020 14:50


Originally Posted by unmanned_droid (Post 10917570)
Y
There was also a 'desert' scheme on one F-117A.

Very like the scheme employed by a certain Middle east country

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....2aa9ca3634.jpg



unmanned_droid 9th Nov 2020 18:01


Originally Posted by Davef68 (Post 10922590)
Very like the scheme employed by a certain Middle east country

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....2aa9ca3634.jpg

Yes, almost enough to start a rumour eh....

chopper2004 13th Jan 2021 22:19

First time I saw one was Mildenhall Air Fete 96 so here are my photos..

cheers


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....10ba258b5.jpeg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....5b1e86437.jpeg

chopper2004 1st Feb 2021 08:01

3 decades and fortnight ago Desert Storm kicked off with the Wobbly Goblin seine action for second time ...

Anyhow reminiscent of this the 117 has been cleared to being tanked up.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...8QItURqjKyBaQ8

cheers


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