Originally Posted by chopper2004
(Post 11037914)
Decade on and we are still none the wiser ...best kept secret since the F-117A,
https://theaviationist.com/2021/05/0...new-rendering/ https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....d9e1c82c0.jpeg I still say it was a red herring to let Pakistan off the hook for allowing the raid to go ahead. |
All we know is this tail part was left.
https://images.app.goo.gl/g8r7DyFDqVcgixRZ6 I never got why the rest of the aircraft should be so close to some pretty standard Blackhawk? If it is intended to be stealthy wouldn't the entire airframe need to be designed in some more radical way? |
Originally Posted by Tashengurt
(Post 11037925)
Not even a reverse engineered Chinese copy.
I still say it was a red herring to let Pakistan off the hook for allowing the raid to go ahead. |
Originally Posted by chopper2004
(Post 11037914)
Decade on and we are still none the wiser ...best kept secret since the F-117A,
https://theaviationist.com/2021/05/0...new-rendering/ https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....d9e1c82c0.jpeg |
Originally Posted by Tashengurt
(Post 11037925)
I still say it was a red herring to let Pakistan off the hook for allowing the raid to go ahead.
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China’s take
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Some details of the stealthy Black Hawks from a new programme on Sky History channel.
Title: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt14574560/ Revealed: The Hunt for Bin Laden Lead Planner and Captain, US Navy SEAL. "As the briefs went through the chain of command there was a sensitivity expressed on exposure to radars and discovery of the helicopters as the force was infiltrating. That shifted the conversation to using the Black Hawks that had some of the capabilities to defeat radar." Command Master Chief, US Navy SEAL Team Six "Very early on when we got out and saw them fly they were unstable, particularly when they came into hover and I said with all due respect I don't think that we should use these helicopters. The time to try something new is not on the most important raid arguably since WW2." Lead Planner and Captain, US Navy SEAL. "Another one of the factors that we had to take into account was that the aircrews flying the Black Hawks had been separate programme and didn't have a lot of time flying overseas." Admiral McCraven, Commander Joint Special Operations Command "..... those particular crews had been taken out of the fight for quite a while and really had just been part of research." |
Originally Posted by West Coast
(Post 11038055)
Do you have anything beyond your opinion to back this?
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Absolutely not. |
Originally Posted by TEEEJ
(Post 11109788)
Some details of the stealthy Black Hawks from a new programme on Sky History channel.
Title: Revealed: The Hunt for Bin Laden Lead Planner and Captain, US Navy SEAL. "As the briefs went through the chain of command there was a sensitivity expressed on exposure to radars and discovery of the helicopters as the force was infiltrating. That shifted the conversation to using the Black Hawks that had some of the capabilities to defeat radar." Command Master Chief, US Navy SEAL Team Six "Very early on when we got out and saw them fly they were unstable, particularly when they came into hover and I said with all due respect I don't think that we should use these helicopters. The time to try something new is not on the most important raid arguably since WW2." Lead Planner and Captain, US Navy SEAL. "Another one of the factors that we had to take into account was that the aircrews flying the Black Hawks had been separate programme and didn't have a lot of time flying overseas." Admiral McCraven, Commander Joint Special Operations Command "..... those particular crews had been taken out of the fight for quite a while and really had just been part of research." |
Originally Posted by Tashengurt
(Post 11110385)
Absolutely not.
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More here on the stealth specials - there were two - air quality inside the compound affecting lift available - pilot that managed to do the heavy landing had 6,000 hours on UH-60s
There was a forward refueling area in Pakistan for the return leg and that's where the backup helo for the extraction came from. From 6:50 here: |
The forward refuelling area was visible on google maps for a while - with resident US helis of various types. I think it's safe to assume 160th SOAR and their friends were familiar with it.
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Which Syria raid is that?
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Originally Posted by chopper2004
(Post 11505964)
Interesting, if true, although that may simply be a bit of artistic license. |
Originally Posted by T28B
(Post 11506091)
In the posted picture, the 2014 "Syria raid" silhouette suggests that the stealth Blackhawk has retractable gear.
Interesting, if true, although that may simply be a bit of artistic license. |
Originally Posted by 212man
(Post 11505973)
Which Syria raid is that?
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