Changes at Marham and Lossie
 

I hear reports of losing Sqns at both Lossie and Marham.

Any one confirm?

:ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::sad::(:(:(:(

13 and 14, confirmed on the MOD website

Sad News

:sad::sad:

If I may say - the government have messed out Armed Forces up big style. :mad:

14???

14!!!!

Someone needs a history lesson. 14 go while IX, 12 and 31 continue?

A travesty.

What will happen to the 24 GR4/4A aircraft? Will they been reallocated to the remaining squadrons or will they be "Nimrod-ed"?
Hope all the personnel affected by this are treated decently.

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Its cuts boy cuts, yes of course, they'll be put to S-L-E-E-P.:{

But on a historic and tradition not, it should be 14 and 31 by rights.

They're the most junior save 617, which retains special status!

You know Daaa daa da daa da da daa daaaa!:ok:

FB:)

Phew saved again -- up the Bats !!!

shame about Crusader & The Stabbed Cats though.

Jackonicko

If you look at who has returned from Afghanistan most recently, then it was not hard to predict 14 and XIII. Heartbroken as I am over 14 :{, it makes sense in the harmony of deployments and work-ups to lose those 2 sqns.

To all those (air and ground crew) on both XIII and 14 Sqns take strength in knowing what a fantastic job you all did in Afghanistan - you will have saved lives :ok:. I have such fond memories of 14 Sqn.

On a slightly lighter note, does the JN (sorry JWSO) have to keep Eric now the Sqn is going to be disbanded?! :eek:

Every day we seem to get depressing news, I thought that I would look at the International Air Tatoo web site to see what aircraft are left to particpate in this years show.

I know it's early days but there's the Sparrows and that's it.

Very best wishes to you Tonka boys, I still miss your low level flights through Leicestershire.

Sad, but not unexpected news. 2 great tours on XIII.

Any word as to whether those currently manning XIII Sqn will actually be posted or will the 12 or 617 nameplate move down to replace the XIII Sqn one? That's assuming the status quo is 4 sqns at Marham.

With 14 Sqn going (funny old thing, they have just had their hanger overhauled - they can open all the doors now!) does that mean that a Phoon sqn moves up to Lossie and it's endex Leuchars?

Oh heck, I forgot about Eric! Surely he can't be made redundant as well? Travesty.

Maybe Sqn Ldr Eric Courtney Aldrovandi should be turned into a set of cowboy boots and sent to Dave Cameron!!

Ivor:E

Ivor, thanks for the first good laugh of a dark day!!

Maybe send Eric to Dave bypassing the turning into boots stage, after not feeding him for a while ;)

it had to happen sooner or later........
 

But at least our leaders haven't committed us to another overseas deployment with no obvious end..........

Very sad for the members of 13 & 14 Sqns, I hope you all are looked after.

A little piece of me is glad 12(B) survived though...

Hey Ivor

Maybe you could give Eric a good home, he probably remembers you!

Was under the impression that, as sad as this is, this loss is number plates only and not air frames or aircrew - they're being re-distributed. Hope that my gen is not wrong.

Reality
 

Gentlemen / Ladies - this is the start of the end. Although in the short-term no real difference manpower. We have now lost all ADAPTABILITY, AGILITY and CAPABILITY - fact, question only if you know better!

Facts - know them - finningley boy
 

When the RAF was formed the first seven given RAF status were 1,2,3,4,5,6 and 14 - fact! Therefore an original sqn. As for tornado, 14 is the second most senior behind ii(ac) - fact. The only reason why 14 has gone and not 12 is that they are busy at the moment - fact. Finningley boy a simple google search will give you all this. I hope you will do some research before you comment - it took me no more than 2 min

If numbers were so important 1, 3, 4, 6, 8 & 11 would still be about - get over the number thing.

^^^"whatever" ^^^ this whole freaking deal really sucks.:sad:

Philip, you strike me as the kind of light weight who gets a lot of what he thinks he knows straight off the internet. You couldn't for one second, though, point out where I supported the disbandment of 14 sqn. I did question why 13 and not 31. But off the cuff, one can always overlook a simple explanation. I suggest you climb back down off your high hobby horse and place you remarks in a more enlightening context, rather than lash out with something you've just picked up!:=

FB:)

Finningley Boy,

I can - here:

Philip.snow may have got his facts off the internet, but the internet is right in this instance... it sounds like this decision's down to timing and a political sensitivity about disbanding deployed units. Perhaps the history books will record the manoeuvring for others to tut over in future?

As an ex Crusader I am absolutely gutted:(

But, it would have been just as gutting for anybody who is serving, or has served, on any Tornado GR Sqn (over the last 25 odd years) chosen for the chop. My heart also goes out to all those who have been a part of 13 Sqn. These are very sad times, which I really wish I did not have to witness.

However, the memories, the photographs, the videos, the experiences, the happy times, the good times, the sad times, the very sad times, the scary times, the very scary times, the emotional times, the angry times, the frustrating times, the hot times, the cold times, the wet times, the hard work times, the slack times, the busy times, the boring times, the anxious times, the lonely times, the nervous times, the apprehensive times, the exciting times, the fun times, the exhilarating times and finally the extremely proud times, will never be forgotten by me as long as I live.

I am proud and privileged to have had the honour to have served on three Tornado Sqns over the years, but 14 will always have a very special place in my heart.

RA! RA! Crusaders.

P. S. I am sure that my two daughters (now 27 and 24) would be quite happy to adopt Eric who has spent many a time in their arms.

<<I am sure that my two daughters (now 27 and 24) would be quite happy to adopt Eric who has spent many a time in their arms.>>

I hear Eric's getting grumpier as he gets older. Also, have you seen the size of the beast recently.........:eek:

On a positive note (if there can be any), at least both sqn numbers will be available to move over to F-35.

Rigga......don't be an arse! Sqn numbers are to the RAF what Regimental names are to the Army. :=

SRENNAPS

Bloody well said :ok: You summarised life on 14 Sqn (but as you say could be any sqn) spot on!

Rigga

Am I missing something here :

3 Sqn - Typhoon Squadron, Coningsby
6 Sqn - Typhoon Squadron, Leuchars
8 Sqn - E3D Squadron, Waddo
11 Sqn - Typhoon Squadron, Coningsby

I admit I have taken this from the RAF website and we know how accurate that has been of late (although it does show 1(F) and IV(AC) as recently disbanded:( but I'm fairly certain that they will soon be standing up again .... albeit not as a GR9 outfit:E)

Sad news indeed. I had 2 great tours on Xiii...looking forward to meeting old friends at the farewell p*ss up...

:)Its not something I support Easystreet just voicing my understanding of the protocol for disbanding squadrons. If Philip has found out a snippet off the internet that 14 squadron are an older squadron than 12, for example, he must be missing something else, as they have been chosen to disband. But in anycase, my point is merely an observation, not something I'm going to fight to the death over as some article of faith. However, it was Philip's manner of bringing his point to light, which I'll gladly accept, which I'll admit drew my hasty response. I just don't understand the rather disturbed and overtly defensive manner in which he chose to express his new found knowledge.:ugh:

FB

And therein lies the great political question - which will not be answered until after the Scottish Parliament elections for fear of giving Labour and/or the SNP a boost against the Liberals in Moray and North East Fife.

As for seniority, there was a precedent, albeit not recently, for Squadrons re-numbering on disbandment of a more senior squadron to preserve the identity of the more senior unit. BUt I think they stopped that in the mid 60s.

It don't matter a fcuk which two Tornado GR squadrons are going - come June 2 this year there will be two less than "we" have now :mad: :mad:

...and six less than "we" need now :oh:

I suspect it matters to both the current and past members of those 2 sqns. But I do get your point.

Sgt.Slabber.

Er, just WHY do we need eleven Tornado GR4 squadrons now? To sustain a force of 8 jets in Afghanistan?

11 Sqns is the total of the force at the height of the Cold war. What would you do now with eleven squadrons of the things?

As a current crusader it wasnt nice but as soon as we were told there was a briefing with the station commander we knew our time was up.

Not sure whats going to happen to Eric but im sure we will sort out a good home for him :-)

And we will let all past crusaders know when the hanger bash is :)

'Once a Crusader, Always a Crusader'

JAJ.

On a positive note (if there can be any), at least both sqn numbers will be available to move over to F-35.

Available maybe, however I fear a lot of recently disbanded sqns will never see the light of day again in a 'proper role'. A long queue is forming for the number plates on F-35 sqns!

True, but then those training sqns that currently hold reserve status that are less senior could be changed to the more senior ones. That is if we have any training sqns left. :(

Not that this is of any significance compared to the main issue of the thread, but I think this has happened more recently than the 60s eg 27 Sqn renumbering as 12 Sqn in 1993.