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China's Stealth Striker

Verry interrresting.....

Surely not , you cant see much from the picture.

What you can assess from such a picture tends to depend on your education, training, experience, knowledge of various aircraft design features ....sorry I am getting carried away and stating the obvious.

You can measure angles, and as there are a bunch of people (for one example of a yardstick) you can measure size/length.... a long way from 'everything' but assuming your photo is genuine you can learn quite a lot of obvious stuff, before looking for the less obvious.

How come if it's Chinese it's got big red stars on the tail? Photoshopped bag of wanq.

Chinese insignia is a red star on a red band...

Look closer at the picture...

http://sitelife.aviationweek.com/ver...9bdb8.Full.jpg

and I see more of this...

http://english.people.com.cn/mediafi...2540930079.jpg
...the PLAAF's Star than that of the Russian Air Force Star...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...d_star.svg.png

Or, if it is Russian then they may be visiting for Foreign Military Sales - I don't know what's worse!!! :eek:

iRaven

In fact there's loads of information if you Google J-14, J-20 or J-XX and you'll turn out images of

http://www.91tuhai.com/uploads/20100...1d05d9ae07.jpg

http://www.91tuhai.com/uploads/20100...74fecb57aa.jpg

And another...
http://forum.keypublishing.com/attac...9&d=1293470254

Well when I've seen Chinese air army 'planes at places such as Shantou I've only seen the red star with the red band through it. Anyways I guess like any country they can R&D new 'planes. Doesn't mean they are any good does it?

...and there I was thinking you meant the Chinese increasing their interest rates on Xmas day when all the Western markets were closed!!

I don't know why it wouldn't be any good because its Chinese.

The laptop i'm using is built in China and its the best on the market. Know your enemy.

Overestimating your adversary is a big mistake.

http://www.b92.net/news/pics/2007/12...140x001111.jpg

But 1000X worse is the opposite...................:cool:

More images.

http://oi52.tinypic.com/712wxt.jpg

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/646...291fbcb3fd.jpg

http://oi52.tinypic.com/4v0glk.jpg

TJ

I was under the impression that the internal structure of stealth aircraft had to be stealthy too*, which the airframe in the large pic seems not to be.

Of course, it matters not whether this new type is excellent or rubbish to be honest. It will still easily defeat types like the F22 or Typhoon on a basis of superior numbers alone (in a 'full on' fight)!


*This is only what I have heard, and claim to have no knowledge on this subject at all.

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/1157/j20w.jpg

Links to larger images.

http://i56.tinypic.com/3127a08.jpg

http://i56.tinypic.com/2lvd3j6.jpg

http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/1...7663994591.jpg

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/5...7663296371.jpg

Did I miss something or is Year 2011, Rising of Eastern Dragon PLAAF?

Can the F-35 already be considered 'toast'?
Discussed here:
What China's New J-20 Stealth Fighter Means for the F-35 JSF and F/A-18E/F Super Hornet

So it seems the raptor now has 2 tribute acts, how come we never saw grainy photos of facsimile f117s or b2s? Or praps they're too good to show up on film?!

Comparison with J-10. It would appear that the J-20 is around the length of an Su-27?

http://www.centurychina.com/plaboard...1e0cdae342.jpg

TJ

There's some cockpit photos here: Welcome to China Defense.com

Congratulations PRC!

It looks awesome, even if its full capabilities may not be understood yet.

A well managed economy affords the developments of sexy equipment and this is a lesson to our politicians and bean-counters.

Best,

SSS

Funny innit. When 'they' build a new 'plane its going to be ace and cause all sorts of mither but if we build a new 'plane the radar won't work the thing hasn't enough fuel, made of the wrong materials by cheap sub contractors, missiles fly backwards, bombs aren't smart, can't carry enough of anything too many crew, can't land on a carrier, too heavy, lacks commonality, can't communicate, made of peas, underpowered, not enough cup holders, smells of wee....

LT, I wouldn't be too worried, half the kids christmas presents have broken already, and they were made in China. :E
On the flipside, at least they have a large manufacturing base and economy of scale, so they are able to do this sort of thing. I doubt we'd be able to produce anything more than a UCAV (or whatever they are called this month) in the future. Looks a little like the old Mig below mated with an F-23.
http://www.strangemilitary.com/image...ent/170133.jpg

Ares: Every Day, It's a-Getting Closer

http://sitelife.aviationweek.com/ver...5de5a.Full.jpg

The most recent imagery from Chengdu shows further progress toward first flight, with the nosewheel off the ground. At the same time, Chinese defense bloggers have pulled up an image of an experimental simulator cockpit that emerged a couple of years ago:

http://sitelife.aviationweek.com/ver...5bf4.Large.jpg

The forward view of the aircraft on the left-hand display is much too like the J-20 to be the product of coincidence.

Other Chinese enthusiasts have been playing with CGI. It is hard to vouch for their accuracy, but it's visually impressive:

http://sitelife.aviationweek.com/ver...9e09.Large.jpg

Finally, Air Power Australia has released an updated assessment of the J-20, with some interesting thoughts on timing, numbers and roles and missions, and Feng at Information Dissemination has some good observations.

What? Air Power Australia thinks the J-20 is a ripper and that the F-35 should be cancelled??? :eek:

Holy crap, who could've predicted that? May as well start learning Mandarin now! :suspect:

Dui, hen hao!

Wild-@ssed guesses, pure imaginings, and desperate exaggerations designed to support their "the RAAF must buy F-22 only & completely rebuild the F-111" agenda.

Sounds like a plan. We could have TSR2's:ok::ok::ok::ok::ok:

JF said;
"What you can assess from such a picture tends to depend on your education, training, experience, knowledge of various aircraft design features "

Come on John, don't leave us hanging...
Care to share your impression?

Either landing or high speed taxi with chute deployment at Chengdu?



http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/xx11/VVbear/xcx.jpg

TJ

Hey!

That's my mobile 'phone ring tone!

Smoketoomuch
 

I was merely making the general case following the quote above.

Not suggesting that I had any such background.

In actual fact there have been several links to analysis that I find no reason to argue with.

Something that Anatoly Kvotchur said to me one day was "the bigger the aircraft the easier it is to meet the spec" Wise words but they do ignore visual signature and cost.

As to

I would have thought that a careful read of the introduction to the document referred to makes it very clear it is none of those things as it is full of very sensible caveats.

Article from TIME: "You Provide The Pictures, I'll Provide The War" -... - StumbleUpon

TJ

Buying a few more pounds or cubic feet of space is no bad thing on a stealth platform. Visuals aside, observables are not related to size (sometimes bigger is better) and you can't follow the F-16-like growth path of adding bigger drop tanks, extra spines and conformals. Also, a bit of extra surface area for LO comms and EW antennas can come in handy.

Agree on APA. They are not perfect, but for some reason have acquired a flock of detractors, some of them complete loonies.

The flight today at Chengdu has been cancelled, according to the Chinese forums. VIPs were noted getting a guided tour of the aircraft. The airspace was cleared and the nearby international airport was closed down for the period.

http://oi51.tinypic.com/10z0mt1.jpg

According to the Chinese forums many spectators were moved on from the best viewing spots. People were even up the trees!

http://oi55.tinypic.com/34nscpe.jpg

Looking at the images it is clear that the weather got in the way!

New video of J-20 being towed. Taken from eastern side of Chengdu.



TJ

Yes, Carlo Kopp has had a field day with this one and has taken it as another opportunity to decry the F-35/F-18F combo in favour of the unavailable F-22. He knows his stuff far better than I do, but I don't know if anyone is in a position to make the claims he does based purely on the poor quality pictures available and without access to information on the true capabilities of the F-22/F-35/T-50/J20 (that is understandably kept well-guarded and the latter are only prototypes!), and if so they could be saving aerospace companies a lot of money by drafting advanced stealth designs without the need for all that testing and whatnot ;):

He then goes on to say how the F-35 hasn't got a prayer against this jet in an engagement. F-35 capability controversies aside, it seems like force multipliers should have a significant impact on any hypothetical matchup. I think he tends to be a bit over zealous.