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Wyler 2nd Dec 2010 11:27

Cokecan

That's a mighty big ask of one ageing Tanker........:eek:

FlightTester 2nd Dec 2010 21:38


Let's send Ark Royal and some Harriers down there....

Talking of lessons not learned... Oops.
I'm with ShyTorque on this one. I was around for the last "last colonial war". That was about four years after I was in Portsmouth with my school on a careers week, and I watched our last proper flat top being cut up into razor blades. At least Argentina had the decency to wait a few years that time before kicking off about the Falklands. Looks as though this time they're not even going to bother. Oh well in the spirit of Entente Frugale - quelle surprise, at least we can rely on the French eh!

gunbus 2nd Dec 2010 21:44

Maggie,the last politician we had with guts,harriers the Ark,Invincible,et al,Imagine the frogs helping us,if need be?

500N 2nd Dec 2010 21:55

That would be good if the French helped. I think we might need them looking at what has gone on. I think they might come to England's aid. I wouldn't rely on the US.

Maybe a few Exocet's (or current version thereof) sent into Agentinian's Navy
- or whatever they have left of it.

althenick 2nd Dec 2010 22:40


rather more effectively lets send another four Typhoons, four GR4's and a pair of E-3's. unlike a carrier we can do that indefinately, and like a carrier it shows - unlike four Typhoons - that we are serious.

the other SA countries are willing to back Argentina (to whatever degree and however seriously) because they see the current UK force on the Islands as not being an indication of our seriousness on this issue.

regardless of the actual effectiveness and military logic of four typhoons, politically four fighters says 'meh' - and the decision to back Argentina is a political one.

... As much as I am (a) anti-Crab and (b) Pro FAA/AAC I have to agree 100% with this statement. And in view of the fact that a wheem of airbases are about to close it makes perfect sense to ease the strain on the bases that are left in Blighty and put a full squadron of Typhoons and GR4's down to MPA.

just my 2d's worth

SilsoeSid 2nd Dec 2010 22:48

Do you think that the BBMF Lancaster could be fitted with a refuelling boom and be sent on a long range mission to MPA once it has been overrun?

FlightTester 3rd Dec 2010 02:53

SilsoeSid Do you think that the BBMF Lancaster could be fitted with a refuelling boom and be sent on a long range mission to MPA once it has been overrun?

Probably easier to create the original Black Buck missions with XH558 - now that's a private/public partnership I could get behind!

GOLF_BRAVO_ZULU 3rd Dec 2010 08:06

althenick. I think the smiley thing must have dropped off the end of your Post.

Has anyone else noticed, generally, how many people write Posts that clearly suggest that few of the previous Posts have been read?

just another jocky 3rd Dec 2010 08:15


Has anyone else noticed, generally, how many people write Posts that clearly suggest that few of the previous Posts have been read?
People not reading threads before posting?

Shirley, you can't be serious.

WE Branch Fanatic 3rd Dec 2010 23:15

Maybe this should be merged with this: So how vulnerable are the Falklands now ?

GBZ

What is a DED?

Also: WikiLeaks: US concerned over Falklands military action

draken55 4th Dec 2010 10:54

gunbus

Pity then that she led a Government whose Defence Review in 1981 suggested a lack of interest in defending British interests outside the narrow NATO area. The subsequent Foreign Policy disaster caused by the Falklands War cost Lord Carrington his job. More importantly it then took the lives of over 300 servicemen to restore both the Falklands to British rule and the reputation of Mrs T.

Story was on news of the Falkands invasion Mrs T asked if the Navy would despatch Ark Royal, the one that paid off in 1978. :ugh:

Dengue_Dude 4th Dec 2010 11:19

Why not lay up the Ark and her Harriers THERE instead of HERE?

They could load enough stores to last for a while . . . then there's always the airbridge . . . whoops, no aircraft.

draken55 4th Dec 2010 11:57

HMG has mentioned nothing about storage. Ark Royal will be scrapped or sold. Either Illustrious or Ocean will run on as a helicopter carrier with the latter coming out of refit soon and the latter in need of one.

Choices? Well HMG could store some Harriers "just in case" and run on Illustrious but cancelling Oceans sceduled refit would cause employment issues at Devonport. My guess is this will go ahead with Illustrious taken out of service just as soon as Ocean is available again.

We then hope that PM Cameron is right and that we can do without a fixed wing capability at sea until the new carrier(s) arrive.

poostix1 4th Dec 2010 12:02


Pity then that she led a Government whose Defence Review in 1981 suggested a lack of interest in defending British interests outside the narrow NATO area. The subsequent Foreign Policy disaster caused by the Falklands War cost Lord Carrington his job. More importantly it then took the lives of over 300 servicemen to restore both the Falklands to British rule and the reputation of Mrs T.
255 lives to be more precise, but your point is well made

Mechta 4th Dec 2010 21:23


More importantly it then took the lives of over 300 servicemen to restore both the Falklands to British rule and the reputation of Mrs T.
As you don't specify whose servicemen, then it wouldn't be unreasonable to include the 655 dead Argentine servicemen either. Victims of Mrs T's actions and their Junta's reaction as much as our own dead.

P.S. Not servicemen, but three Falkland Islanders died in the conflict too.

Twon 4th Dec 2010 22:30

Mechta
 
Not to be too pedantic but I think you'll find it was the Junta's actions and Mrs T's reactions, rather than the other way around!

Aynayda Pizaqvick 5th Dec 2010 07:03

Think the Argies are more concerned about the 30,000 people that went 'missing' about the same time.

GOLF_BRAVO_ZULU 5th Dec 2010 21:24

WE Branch Fanatic. DED; Docking Essential Defects. I can't find what category of Fleet Time maintenance it's probably become now.

PhamousPhotographer 6th Dec 2010 11:16

Responsibility?
 

Not to be too pedantic but I think you'll find it was the Junta's actions and Mrs T's reactions, rather than the other way around!
Erm, possibly Nott? Long-regarded as the other villain of the piece, the-then Defence Secretary tendered his resignation at the same time as Lord Carrington, but the ‘Iron Lady’ didn’t accept it. Maybe a guilt reaction as historian Piers Brendon records it was herself rather than Nott who “plucked ‘the Red Plum’ of Antarctica”, HMS Endurance, to save c.£3 million per year, allegedly referred to the ice-patrol vessel as, “a military irrelevance”, vehemently supported the savings and briefed against her fellow Cabinet member as being too timid.

That signal, amongst others, had much to do with the junta’s subsequent actions. By comparison, the present shameful acts re Ark Royal and the Harriers must look like a gift-wrapped invitation to reach for the old 1982 amphibious landing files and have another go? In their shoes I’d wait til the cutting torches have completed the rest of the RN Fleet downsizing exercise and then kick-off. As ever, should it happen, it won't be the politicians who'll pay with their lives.

XV277 7th Dec 2010 22:56

Send her a postcard of a UGM-109 with the GPS co-ordinates of the Casa Rosada on the back?


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