Pay and allowances
 

I heard a rumour that the pay and allowances review had been delayed.... Is flying pay safe then or is still for the chop?

Safe I reckon.

They are going to be begging for aircrew in a few years' time and a fair few aircrew would be up sh*t street with their mortgages if they took it away.

dream on guys.........dream on.............

Widger,

I guess from your post that you believe Flying Pay will not survive. You're wrong; it's very simple, if you want someone to do 3-4 years training just to get to the front line, followed by a myraid of other courses to increase their effectiveness as instructors (etc) then you will have to pay them extra. Either that or cut the pay of those who don't do these kind of courses.

Of course, if I have mis-construed your post I wait with baited breath for clarification.

Bootflap read the JSP, flying pay is a retention incentive, pretty soon we won't be needing to retain quite so many people!
I think FP when not on a flying tour will go, it's all about money and we ain't got any.
If people don't like it they can leave, which will suit the MOD to a tee.

If anyone thinking flying pay on ground tours is going to get chopped you are delluded. If you think anyone who is at the top of their game in the flying world would even ponder for 2 seconds going into important roles at the IPT or MAA and face a 12 grand paycut, you are more stupid than most bitter and twisted base support wing losers.

In reality nobody knows what the final package will look like. However given the sheer ridiculous scale of what has to be saved there is no doubt that some highly unpalatable things will have to be done. It seems to me that no one element of the package will be lopped off completely because of the terminal consequences for retention of the personnel affected. What is more likely is a reduction in the amount paid out in a large number of different areas combined with some tightening on the eligibility or banding rules for things like CEA, HTD and possibly flying pay.

There are a lot and I mean a lot of people balancing on the cliff edge of major decisions at the moment. If they removed flying pay this hitting the most experienced hardest they would all just leave.... End of. We may not be aloud to strike but 50% of aircrew in the RAF hitting PVR would have an even bigger effect. Plus they would have to stop all flying as the Flight Safety implication of having such a large number of upset people would be huge. I'd place money on a flying pay increase in about 2 years or at least another round of FRI's. Now stick that in your blunt pipe and smoke it! :-)

I think that Flying pay will survive but only if you are in a flying job...not a flying "related" job but actually flying current.... if you are not flying current then I'm afraid that you are going to see a pay drop.


Boarding School allowance (or whatever it is called now).... is that safe?

Home to duties (again... whatever that is called).... Thats looking very Iffy...


You are correct that Flying pay is a retention bonus but other posters are correct....we don't need to retain aircrew...in fact we need to make them redundant.... there are a lot of Harrier and Nimrod aircrew looking for jobs....

And all these peole that would PVR what are they going to leave to do????
On a ground tour? watch out!

Since they chopped 25% of Home to duties when the price of fuel was going up and no-one made much of a fuss, i guess it is only time before the rest goes. Similar story with LOA, rumour has it that is next for the chop

I think the harsh reality is that the Treasury probably won't agree to making redundancy payments to a group of people who are also getting retention payments. :ugh:

Look in the mirror before you throw stones..... :*

Even when some aircrew no longer have aircraft, and there are no pilot jobs in the civilian sector?

And where does the extra money come from to retain expertise that is genuinely needed at the moment (eg EOD)?

No wonder the Treasury takes such a cynical view of MOD spending.

And yet FP was not reduced or gotten rid of during any of the previous redundancy rounds. :confused:

They get EOD pay and a £50000 FRI...

Hows that for you?:ugh:

It is not enough for me. Especially as you have to do two 6 month HERRICK tours in return.

I have mates who are ATOs and I honestly do not know how they do it. 'Brave' does not begin to describe them.

The question that really needs to be answered is:

Why pay a retention package to someone we do not need to retain?

Opprtunies For Harrier Pilots
 

Gentlemen and Ladies if there are any.

Like the service life and a hot jet? Why waste all that expirience and knowledge when you are an ace at weapons and can hover. Ever thought of doing the same but at lower speeds and altitudes but with two engines. Become an Apache pilot.

LB

So, it would be safe to say, Vin, you feel quite strongly about it? :}

I asked where does the money come from?

My point was that rather than asking Treasury to cough up extra UOR money to pay retainers to people who really are needed at the moment, why not end retainers for those who are not in short supply?