SDSR - Redundancy Package?
 

Any ideas of what the package might be?

I think there may be a lot more than 5000 personnel applying for the package and voting with their feet.

Our best resources are our people - if they all walk from key areas then it doesn't matter what aircraft we have if we can't fly or maintain them:mad:

A very black day for our Services - an armed militia post-Afghan

Militia?
 

Couldn't agree more - if anyone thinks these cuts (sorry, review) are the end, wait until withdrawal from Herrick. These will seem like paper cuts compared to the hatchet job then.

Mr Cameron - "This is a not a cost saving exercise – it is about taking the right decisions to protect our national security in the times ahead." Oh really?

"The MOD will face significant challenges in the year ahead. " Nicht scheisse, Sherlock! :bored:

"We will double our investment in aid for unstable countries" That's good - we don't have money for adequate defence, policing (just wait for that news), the NHS but we do have money to prop up extremely dodgy regimes. :ouch:

I'm so glad I don't have long to go - probably......

We were briefed that circa 2500 would be from 'natural wastage', the remainder through redundancy.

I hear 5AC will receive a visitation in the not to distant future, the rest of us are battening down the hatches and pretending not to notice.

DINs published on MOD intranet website now. Full single service details of target audience published in next 6 months.

redundancy
 

Have just checked MOD site - last package 3 years ago said 18 months pay based on rank (not flying pay) if you have 5 or more years left to an exit date, assuming 13 years completed since age 18. 15 months pay with 4 years left, 11 months for 3 years, 7 for 2, 3 for 1. Also says they were agreeing changes to the redundancy package post April 2010 so should be less than this, given lack of cash about! Feeling a bit punch-drunk so far!:} Assuming 12 years served, officers to get immediate pension even if not reached their IPP.

BA are recruiting!!!:ok:

Changed recently
 

The Armed Forces redundancy package has been changed by the government very recently (coincidence? :=). It is now around 9 months pay, or if fully pensionable 6 months pay. I will look for the link.

Well that sounds depressingly plausible. There's that one way street - loyalty.

From what I read it appears that AFPS 05 people will be covered by Armed Forces Redundancy Scheme 06 (I think 12 mnths pay) and those on APFPS 2010 will be covered by AFRS 2010 (9 months pay before Mar 2013 then 3 months).... different terms before IPP. Both AFRS available on tinterweb via google

Not sure it was the Armed Forces Redundancy package that was changed. Statutory Redundancy terms were changed as labour left the house, however terms agreed under the acceptance of AFCS06 have not yet been changed i.e. 12 months pay if 4yrs left, 9 mnths for 3yrs, 6 for 2 etc. I don't think terms of service can be changed just like that without a fight.

Don't think much for those wishing to join up in the future or those accepting a change of TOS due to promotion etc. I suspect any new pension and compensation terms will be very poor. I had also heard that Sqn Ldrs aren't being offered service to 55 now as a matter of course on promotion...

It's all in here The Armed Forces (Redundancy, Resettlement and Gratuity Earnings Schemes) Order 2010

From what I can see for those with more than 3 years to serve and after an immediate pension point it is as follows:

AFPS75: tax free 6 months pay plus tax free gratuity and then normal pension.

AFPS05: tax free 9 months pay plus tax free gratuity and then normal pension.

Watch out though, all changes to 3 months pay on 1 Apr 2013! :eek:

LJ

Australia is chronically short of fast-jet pilots for anyone who is quick on their feet!

Is that because you're short of entries for the 100m sprint at the 2012 Olympics?

:E

I'll believe it when I see it. While it would be great to cut out the SLLI cadre (pace those who have been genuinely damaged/broken by doing the job), these people (ie the genuine slackers) are often very good at knowing how to avoid being got rid of! Perhaps because they spend all their time and effort studying exactly what their rights/entitlements are, while the rest of us do all the hard work! From what I've seen, the average Desk O has too little time/experience to deal with them, so I worry that in 5 years' time there will still be far too many wasters! Just my tuppence worth of course...

We always are.... fortunately we do rather well in the pool! ;) (I won't mention the C'wealth games medal count in the interests of decorum either...)

Slots would be limited in the RAAF, we can't take everyone but they have some good kit right now and more coming. Summer is just around the corner as well. You could be on the winning side of the next Ashes series!!

Whilst China still needs our coal and iron-ore, there is no sign of a recession here. Just FYI.

Anyone need the address of Australia House?? ;)

Sick Lame And Lazy
 

SLC - I love your approach to this - i happen to be a highly competent individual who would not consider myself "sick lame and lazy" but i am now the proud owner of some highclass metal work in my ankle. Thus, i will be in the next few months downgraded ( and who knows even got rid of) at Henlow. It certainly is not my preferred route of exit from an RAF that has done a lot for me and even promoted me on numerous occasions!

Before you proffer your thoughts next time, stop and think about what you are saying. It might all be green on your lawn, but there are many people who owing to circumstances beyond their control are poorly. Would you class friends of mine as sick lame and lazy who have lost legs or body parts in the Gulf or Afghanistan?

well and truly on the hook tonight!

occhips,

I don't think at all that SLC was referring to you or those others like you who have worked hard and been broken as a result. I suspect he was referring to those who are "on the sick" ie those who fabriacte or exaggerate, but I'm sure he'll confirm?

I agree that SLC was purely talking about those that are swinging the lead. My neighbour at a secret base in Oxfordshire was supposed to go OOA to MPA of all places and couldn't as she had had such an awful pregnancy with her now 3 yr old daughter. Believe it was her hips that she suddenly needed physio for, after receiving her paperwork to go. OOA deferred and subsequently has had bambino number 2. Now call it coincidence but if You ask me then she and others like it are the ones that should initially make up some of the 5000 to go!!

GT

Do that and I'm sure there would be a big unfair dismissal case claiming sexual discrimination :rolleyes: She'd then get an even bigger pay off.

Obviously see no problem getting rid of the 'sick lame and lazy' as long as all the t055ers go into the blender too.

Well, according to the DIN on the subject the redundancy scheme will be running in 2014 to release folks in 2015. Ties in nicely with the Redundancy Scheme changing in 2013 reducing payments to 3 months pay. W**kers. :uhoh:

I read it as the third of three tranches of redundancy will run in 2014. Easy decision; get out in tranche 1 or 2! :ok:

I haven’t heard any banter about thinning out the Senior Officers in all of this. Are we about to lose 5000 Indians just to leave the huge numbers of chiefs sitting pretty?

Fairness
 

Well the government bangs on about being Fair, How come they have changed the military terms of redundancy but not those for the civil servants? Maybe because their union challenged changes to their package and won. I wonder if an individual who was made redundant in the military would have a case in court?

My wife worked for the Civil Service and I'm pretty sure they changed their T&C's last year too. Interestingly under the last government. Our thoughts at the time were 'here come the redundancies' - She left of her own free will anyway - too much work too few staff. Too many managers.

As for the cuts, having been there in the 90's, there were no shortage of takers, the difficulty now is that there are no jobs. Or very few, and those that are there have the pick of the field - listing transferable skills on a CV in today's job market just doesn't cut it. I've been applying for jobs now for over a year and haven't had a single interview. Prior to 2005 my application to interview ratio wasn't far off 100%. Tough times.
Best of luck to those making the break, but not too sure that my exit strategy of voluntary first tranche is the right one in this market.

EDIT: No the changes were fought off. Wife say's - A lot of them deserve the axe, many of the long termers did bugger all, and wouldn't leave of their own accord because of the pension rights, and the management wouldn't deal with them. New starters from private roles tended to have the work shoved onto them because they weren't tooled up mentally for that environment.

I believe there might be one who runs the Oil Risbridger Policy Command Centre (Used to be run by a Cpl; but now run by an AVM). This loss is due to the fact that the RAF now only needs 3 oil risbridgers to maintain its fleet of aircraft and the post is being down graded to a Wg Cdr. "This also saves money" a spokesman for the RAF was heard to say.

Proposals for civil servants (they will go through)

are 12 and 9 months respectively. Whilst the previous scheme was good, 7 years pay is stretching the story a bit. Three would be in the ball park.

CG

I always thought CS redundancy was one month per year served - can't remember if that was voluntary or compulsory. (Maybe voluntary?)

Otherwise, unless your AO had done 84 years .......

Cpl SRENNAPS

WTF? Have you been drinking from that Risbridger again?

If I was still in I would have been drinking a cocktail mix of OX26, OM15 and Skydrol since Tuesday:eek::sad:

Redundancy
 

Chaps, details of the scheme are already available via the MOD web page - and presumably on the individual services web pages. There are two schemes - one for those who remained on AFPS 75, and one for those that transferred to the new scheme. I have only looked (briefly) at the 75 scheme - and even them only at the details for those coming to the end of their service, and it goes something like this: more than one year left, but less than 2 = 3 months salary (tax free) + 1/12 of 3 months salary for each additional month: 2 to 3 years = 6 months salary and more than 3 years = 9 months salary (plus 1/12 etc). Pretty sure these details are correct but to confirm them I would need to log onto JPA again tomorrow and, to be quite honest, I have lost the will to live where that particular piece of (**)IT is concerned. Hope this helps. CB

When talking about 'years left' do you mean to end of current engagement eg 38 for a flt lt and 55 for a sqn ldr? Does time to option point make any difference? Do 44 points still exist?

Have they published the brackets? Like ranks, trades and branches, ages etc?

PN,

Get real - that will be weeks away. RAF Manning only started working on it on Tuesday....

Weeks ?......get real - that will be 6 months away - the DIN says so.

Then months of agonising waiting and then the wait for the exit date to arrive in 2014.

Up to 6 months, and that is weeks (26 of them!).

As for redundancy, once again talk is of 3 tranches (I hate that word) with 6 months notice to volunteers, 12 months for compulsaries. Given that the numbers have to be achieved by 2015 (April? It usually is.), working backwards tranche 3 can't be later than 2014 (given the 12 months time lag), with the first 2 tranches somewhen between mid 2011 and 2014......

Biggus, apologies. Having been through 2 or 3 previous culls I forgot the length of the uncertainty although I recall from a day ago the mention of 150 sqn ldrs.

I was at Finningley when we had the peace dividend cull and the heads down, corridor muttering while they worke dout how to restructure a training system based on 10-12 studes per month when we had to lose even more personnel from 89k to 57k.

Facts
 

On some threads I have seen some real rubbish stated. First I recommend anyone who wants to know facts speaks to someone authorised - a professional pension authority perhaps? For what it is worth:

On AFPS 75, over 3 years to serve - 9 mths pay: 2 to 3 years 6 mths and 1 to 2 years 3 mths. Less than a year is 1/12 of 3 mths pay for every month remaining.

The 6 mth pay limit is only for those who have a FULL pension entitlement - that is someone who has extended in the Service say now 56 and had a 5 year extension. So instead of getting 9 mths as he has 4 years remaining will only get a max of 6 mth pay. Watch as from 1 Apr 2013 ALL will get a max of 3 mths pay!!

Finally, the Civil Service 2010 Redundancy Pay is already out this year. There will not be another. They get 9 mths if forced out, and wait for it, 21 mths if you volunteer. Not sure if that is tax free or not.

That would get rid of significantly more than 2400 - closer to 24000!!

DIN from the mod website:

http://www.mod.uk/NR/rdonlyres/33B5F...Provisions.pdf

Wonder whether the payments take flying pay into account.....

I guess it will depend on whether flying pay is regarded as the "pay" refered to in your link. Does/did flying pay count towards pensions before this? I suspect that if given a choice, that whoever is driving this will opt for the lowest cost option.