Were the D-5s traded in as a cost-saving measure?

I/C

Of all the tasks in the RAF and RN, ASW is the one that requires the most training, crew co-ordination and current practice. If the decision to double our ASW capability were taken today, it would take years for the new crews to achieve an appropriate level of expertise.
Ivan is certainly "avin' a laugh."

Shack37/ Pingdit
 

Well if the nucs had been based in Inverness then that could well have been true.

Pingdit

Obviously if you can remember then you obviously weren't there!

Reminds me of the Op started when a recently downbanded port beam operator called a "certsub" not a million miles from said naval base...

Oh how we laughed as the greens rolled in.

Is it Really ?!

You'll have no difficulty converting to SH in the next 18 months then......

MPA to SH has been done quite a few times, however not many have managed the reverse............................:E

Who would want to?

Pies in the oven, FLgodknows, fly around in circles. No wonder not many people have managed it, not many have ever been bothered.

I suspect it is, actually, not least because it requires people to find extremely quiet things under the water where most non-acoustic sensors can't reach. This isn't intended to minimise the other roles required of sea and airborne units, but ASW is very difficult indeed to do properly, and the difference between good enough* and not good enough is paper thin.

Dave

*apologies to Boggy if he's reading this, I didn't mean him <g>

GC wrote:

And he's closer than he may realise. Trident replacement requires SSBN build capability at Barrow - but we could buy SSNs from somewhere else (in Connecticut, possibly). So the cost of Trident should logically include a significant portion of the cost overruns on Astute that were all about buying the capability to build nuclear submarines rather than Astute herself. If SSBN is binned, then the need to have Barrow is binned too - making further savings possible.

The good news if this were to happen is that we'll be looking for a large number of certified nuclear engineers shortly for the next gen civil nuclear powerplants. Birds, stones.

S41

Big (re)learning curve to regain ASW proficiency for the MR2 crews on return from GW1, after only a 2 month det. I feel sorry for the folks that are still around that may or may not be asked to re-invent the wheel from scratch. What a sad state of affairs for an island nation to be in.

Russian sub stalks Trident.....

Ba**s!

Black Prince
 

There was a Victor III skipper who back in the 80's was known as the Black Prince.

Couldn't help thinking that this Akula driver could be the "son of"

Are the AGI's still going about?

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Of all the tasks in the RAF and RN, ASW is the one that requires the most training, crew co-ordination and current practice.
You'll have no difficulty converting to SH in the next 18 months then......

Six four, thirteen and three quarters, clear above and behind."

Worked for me for 2 tours!

CG:ok:

Must have been on Belvederes or something because I've got no idea what six four, thirteen and three quarters means.

MGD

I'm going back MGD does that count?:confused:

There is nothing to go back to. Though perhaps Nimrod 2000, a token fleet of just 4 airframes may pop up sometime around 2015.

Not exactly Belvederes, nor IIRC a correct set of fiqures. In those days it would have been 12.25 without SLF (Normal Ops) and 15ish when "Heavy". (A rare occasion) Though in fairness, CG may be referring to metal rather then GRP in which case he is probably spot on.

...as for remuster to ISK :eek: Has anyone ever applied? Nearest I know of is Tom moving in permanently to the RCC, and thats only because he is a local.

TM

Never said it was correct, just that it got me by! (And it was a wee while back).

F 84 said:

Suspect that was the time I had to seek the permission of the PMC to leave the table half-way through the Main Course.
I was still conducting briefings in Mess Kit at lunchtime the following day!

S206

That's the one! There was also a JMC taking place although the Nimrod involvement was somewhat reduced! Bogh flew back with my crew & we did a formation arrival back at St Mawgan c/s Chough formation!
Maybe if the Mk 4 eventually gets into service they'll let some of us OAPs have a go.