Battlespace? obsolete. The new paradigm is the Battlesphere.....

LW50 - IMHO the loony thinkers are the land-war zealots who quote Thucydides, various Romans and Clausewitz to explain why the Navy is a secure transport service and the Army should own all the aircraft.

Like the American Enterprise Institute head-cases who compared a dispersed off-runway F-35B force to cavalry, I kid you not.

I mean, I think we had a discussion in the Global Unpleasantness of 1914-18 about whether the airplane was a very fast horse, a long-range gun or a kind of torpedo boat, and it concluded with a firm "none of the above".

LO:
no argument there.

ORAC:

FFS, it's almost as though the development of new buzz words is believed to improve fighting effectiveness. The critical battlespace is that space between the ears of the commander, be he in charge of a fire team, a battalion, a ship, or a corps.

Further comments :mad:

Lonewolf_50, was it your lot who dreamed up the cringingly stupid title 'Warfighter'...:mad:

Probably. "Support to the Warfighter" may have been coined to convince Congress that the money was being spent on operations rather than another golf course at a given Air Force Base. :E

Linked, I'll guess, to the never ending arguments over the "tooth to tail" ratio of forces and resources.

EDIT: I did some poking around, and found someone who first began hearing that term in the days of Cheney as Sec Def (Bush 41) and a few of his minions, like Wolfowitz. Not sure how accurate that is, and I seem to recall more "warrior" jargon from the Army in the 90's than "warfighter" until OEF, when "warfighter" sprang up all over the place.

Anecdotal, so of limited value in tracking down the culprits. It was someone on our side of the pond, just not sure who.

We in the Navy were all full of "... From the Sea" and "Forward, From the Sea" as our sales pitch to Congress in the roles and missions debates of the same era.

Oddly enough, THAT is the era which gave rise to the JSF requirements ... and here we are, still talking about JSF. Circle closed, eh? ;)

Project Cancelled.

Stuffy,

Where did you here that?? Or are you talking about a specific country?

Today at the RAF Museum. Somebody very knowledgeable about the project, insisted the technical problems are insurmountable.

an irrefutable source.

Better than you will read here. I'm off to the bookies to see what odds they'll give me.

Stuffy, check your calendar. You're 10 days early.

Just because it doesn't work doesn't mean it won't be bought!

Just not a lot of them will (or can ) be bought , what are they gonna do with so few frames, fight of an invasion from Luxembourg???
Dutch orders for F-35 likely to be scaled back: sources - The Globe and Mail

Luxembourg has the highest per capita income on the planet, and it isn't buying any F-35s. Those two facts may not be unconnected.

Doesn't have an Air Force is another reason for non-procurement! Only 1000 people in their whole "Military"

What do people here, not understand, the two words:

Project Cancelled ?

Just because the politicians are covering up what has happened......

Need I say more ?

Of course it is, that's why the UK just ordered another 4 for lrip 8

Looks like the USMC have got it to go up and down in vertical mode :D

USMC F-35B

Utubby Vid: DOD_100768291-1080x720-3000k


"Published on Mar 21, 2013
Maj Richard Rusnok, first "operational" STOVL sortie at VMFA-121 squadron, MCAS Yuma, Arizona"

VL + RVL by different F-35B aircraft.

VL Picture: http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/th...Yuma_VL-v2.jpg

Most people who contribute to Luxembourg's GDP commute to work from the surrounding countries, much like defense they rely on their neighbours.