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glad rag 3rd Apr 2017 20:37

Oh dear has someone spat their dummy out again?

SpazSinbad 3rd Apr 2017 21:31

Geez, I thought I had a "interesting, but misplaced viewpoint" according to 'Turbine D'. WinSome LoseSome.

baron_rouge 4th Apr 2017 09:09

I can't see that this has already been posted. Interesting read. http://www.dote.osd.mil/pub/reports/...2016f35jsf.pdf

SpazSinbad 4th Apr 2017 10:18

Searching the forum or this thread with the file name 2016f35jsf.pdf There is a reference or two to it: on 11th then 13th of Jan this year

http://www.pprune.org/military-aviat...ml#post9636683
&
http://www.pprune.org/military-aviat...df#post9638707

A_Van 4th Apr 2017 14:39

In fact, this DOT&E report is the main technical reading. Strange that this stuff is new to some subscribed to this topic.
Conversely, most of the journalist publications in the media are just "lyrics" and cries on politics and money. Some comments and considerations in this thread, like e.g. from Turbine D., are much more wise, IMHO.

ORAC 5th Apr 2017 09:49

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/art-f-...204700528.html

Lockheed deal on F35 possible

Investigative Lead: Lockheed Martin Promised an F-35 Block Buy for Not Complaining About Boeing Deals

ORAC 5th Apr 2017 15:37

U.S. mulls F-35s for Taiwan deal

WASHINGTON/ TAIPEI — The United States is considering a new package of arms sales to Taiwan, sources said.

Multiple sources close to the bilateral matter revealed that the United States would sell the weapons to Taiwan as early as this summer. Among the weapons are cutting-edge fighter jets, which past U.S. administrations did not allow to be sold to Taiwan. The arms package could be worth the highest amount ever.......

According to a former senior official at the U.S. State Department who is well-informed of the deliberation process, cutting-edge F-35 stealth fighter jets and the most advanced missile defense system are under consideration.........

Lyneham Lad 5th Apr 2017 19:32

Presumably something that just might be discussed at Mar-a-Lago tomorrow (6th).

sharpend 6th Apr 2017 11:51

Turkey to service UK F35s
 
After reading a few informed comments re the F35 being unfit for purpose, I now read this:'Security concerns have been raised about plans to carry out major servicing work on the UK's new F-35 fighter jets in Turkey.' BBC today. I just gets worse. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39501299

SpazSinbad 6th Apr 2017 12:13

This must be bulldung then: 07 Nov 2016

"...F135 engine heavy maintenance in the European region will initially be provided by Turkey in 2018, supplemented by Norway and the Netherlands within two to three years...." Pentagon Assigns First F-35 Component Repair Facilities | Defense News: Aviation International News
Theys ain't heavy I guess: 11 Jul 2016 https://www.rolls-royce.com/media/pr...-uk-f-35b.aspx

MSOCS 6th Apr 2017 14:15

Sharpend, "events dear boy, events!" The world changes. There will be plenty of other countries willing to conduct the engine overhauls if Turkey were to be placed on the naughty step.

Rolls Royce....?

Turbine D 6th Apr 2017 14:36

Spaz,

This must be bulldung then: 07 Nov 2016
and

Theys ain't heavy I guess: 11 Jul 2016
Did you happen to note that neither article dealt with engine overhaul? One dealt with aircraft maintenance, the other with engine technical logistics which isn't overhaul.

SpazSinbad 6th Apr 2017 18:10

'Turbine D' your reading comprehension is poor. First article states: "...F135 engine heavy maintenance...". Then second article prefaced with my comment "Theys ain't heavy...".

Lyneham Lad 6th Apr 2017 19:48

Plan to service UK F-35 jets in Turkey sparks security concerns
 
BBC News:-
Security concerns have been raised about plans to carry out major servicing work on the UK's new F-35 fighter jets in Turkey.

SpazSinbad 6th Apr 2017 20:07

LL 'sharpend' post 10429 above got to the BBC 'turkey engine' news first....

Turbine D 7th Apr 2017 00:41

Spaz,
You are correct about the first article, I missed it. As to the second article, it read well without your preface editorial...

MSOCS 7th Apr 2017 00:57

Hey girls, stop the handbags, if there's a political concern over engine overhaul in Europe it has nothing to do with the Program. Stop conflating the ebb and flow of statecraft with procurement.

I know you want to blame the F-35 Program for tomorrow's downpour but the illusion of bad press can only support the BS so far.

glad rag 9th Apr 2017 16:29


Originally Posted by MSOCS (Post 9731856)
Hey girls, stop the handbags, if there's a political concern over engine overhaul in Europe it has nothing to do with the Program.

Actually it has everything to with the program as the program runs under contract.

So you want to change a program contracted baseline then it's even more £££$$$ down the porcelain

MSOCS 9th Apr 2017 17:34

Sorry GR, let me be clearer on cause and effect. The Program has not caused the political doubt over Turkey - it has nothing to do with it.

Now, will it affect the Program? Yes, as you say, but that's not what I was talking about. It would cost in contract terms, and likely a lot, but if that trigger was pulled it'd be for a good reason I'd imagine. I have a feeling I know what that'd be, too.

glad rag 10th Apr 2017 15:51


Originally Posted by MSOCS (Post 9734246)
Sorry GR, let me be clearer on cause and effect. The Program has not caused the political doubt over Turkey - it has nothing to do with it.

Now, will it affect the Program? Yes, as you say, but that's not what I was talking about. It would cost in contract terms, and likely a lot, but if that trigger was pulled it'd be for a good reason I'd imagine. I have a feeling I know what that'd be, too.

I am in total agreement MSOCS (!!!)
in fact the sooner a nice tall, long wall is built the safer we all will be!


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