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Grimweasel 20th Apr 2010 08:26

New JSP 752 Rates!?
 
New rates come into force this month for HDT travel that equate to roughly a 25% reduction; this will affect many! Check the JSP 752.

(Previous post deleted for 'service' reasons - oops!)

R SCANDAL 20th Apr 2010 08:47

Snap
 
Grimweasel,
Me too. I spoke with A1 at Air and they forwarded the signal which "justifies" the reduction in HDT. The new rate has been set to the same as that which is used by civilians. Not that they have to upsticks and move every three years. It goes on to say that the MOD are likely to place a high priority on support to home ownership. Easy answer - rather than you busting yourself to provide family stability; put the kids in school and claim tens of thousands in boarding school allowance, or move and claim disturbance and live in subsidised quarters, hopefully SSFA.
I know this allowance is generous compared to civvie counterparts but I thought it was supposed to make up for the pain of being posted every couple of years. And yes I believe boarding school allowance will be discontinued for new service joiners eventually.

CRM Monkey 20th Apr 2010 08:55

I don't think civvies normally get "Home to Duty". The Tax Man considers this a benefit in kind and would tax it anyway so it seems strage to compare it to civvy rates. That said, civvies don't tend to get posted so can choose where they work and live.

Finger Poking 20th Apr 2010 10:26

Can anyone post the previous and the new rate tables ?

With 46 Miles eachway, I presume I'm about to lose lose.

peppermint_jam 20th Apr 2010 10:52

31.2 pence per mile reduced to 25 pence per mile.

Finger Poking 20th Apr 2010 11:28

I thought the current rate was .37p a Mile?

How can these delinquents do this? So for the majority of the RAF who get HTD, the last Pay Rise has just been cancelled out.

I'm glad to be going soon, leadership (Sorry), supposed leadership or the distinct lack of is really becoming boring.

spekesoftly 20th Apr 2010 11:42


I thought the current rate was .37p a Mile?
Now that is one helluva reduction! ;)

Grimweasel 20th Apr 2010 12:04

The rate changes as you go down the table - it depends on how far your daily commute is. Before anyone drops themselves in it, remember the election Purdah rules as given on the MoD website - best to save any rants until after May 6! I'm sitting here going red with vexation too!! :)

Finger Poking 20th Apr 2010 12:34


Before anyone drops themselves in it, remember the election Purdah rules as given on the MoD website - best to save any rants until after May 6! I'm sitting here going red with vexation too!!
TOSH !!

I'll tell you now, I won't be voting for that Sweaty Sock, Cycloptic Unelected Fat TW*T !!

Tory is the ONLY hope the Armed Forces of this country have.

cazatou 20th Apr 2010 13:07

Off topic I know BUT - what would another 5 years of GB as Prime Minister do for retention?

Last man leaving and light switches spring to mind.

MATELO 20th Apr 2010 13:11


I'll tell you now, I won't be voting for that Sweaty Sock, Cycloptic Unelected Fat TW*T !!
Not quite sure who you mean chap.:D :D

Grimweasel 20th Apr 2010 15:03


The last time I checked, PPRUNE was not a MoD run website, or do you really think purdah is intended to prevent individuals discussing changes to rates because it might affect the outcome of the election ?
BGG - Understood; what I was referring to was my earlier post that I edited. I may not have just stuck to the rates discussion and went 'off piste' before a friend reminded me of said purdah. Deleted any political reference.

Melchett01 20th Apr 2010 16:11


Before anyone drops themselves in it, remember the election Purdah rules as given on the MoD website - best to save any rants until after May 6! I'm sitting here going red with vexation too!!
This has got nothing to do with politics and everything to do with those spineless bean counters masquerading as our 'leaders' that are slowly destroying everything good about the RAF.

Combined with the pay cut I took when I came out to the sand pit, this really is just another demostration of how much they really value people.

Has anyone else noted how the much vaunted Investors in People status many RAF stations were so proud to boast of holding has disappeared in recent years. Continuing to push that one would even be too much for this shower.

Robby NL 20th Apr 2010 17:50

Its a mad mad world!
 
We have had much debate on this very subject in the office, as the great Abbeywood move starts for ESAir. One area for discontent is that if the rates have been adjusted in line with the 'civvy world' how is it that the Civil Service Rates have gone up?

Furthermore with more and more of the Married Accompanied Servicemen, going to Abbeywood, being cast further and further away from Bristol how long before they have to start laying on buses from Colerne, Hullavington etc etc? :ugh:

VinRouge 20th Apr 2010 19:56

Cananyone confirm if this applies to HTD Public as well as private?

Sloppy Link 20th Apr 2010 21:27

The rate is the same for private/public, difference is the "contribution" the inividual has to pay (9 miles v 3 miles?)

lonsdale2 20th Apr 2010 22:01

It's not just HTD where the rates have been slashed.
It also applies to MMA - the old 31.2 pence per mile has now also been reduced to 25 pence per mile.
When the taxman openly agrees that it costs in the order of 44p per mile to run a car, how can the military rate be reduced to 25 pence?
Does this mean that everyone now has to submit a claim form for the difference? How is this saving money? I guess they are just relying on folk not bothering to claim their rightful amount.

Jumping_Jack 21st Apr 2010 08:45

....added to the reduction in subsistence allowance.....

Greenielynxpilot 21st Apr 2010 11:10

This is yet another cost-cutting exercise by a bankrupt government department that simply cannot afford to pay its people what it once promised them (no different to BA and its cabin crew).

The MOD is hoping that most people will be either a) too dumb, or b) too lazy to work out what this means for them. I have calculated that my disposal income will be reduced by just under £1000 per year as a result of this rate change ... but then I commute just over 50 miles each way. Most people will lose less than this, and most of them won't notice or care enough to make a fuss.

It is extremely sad that an organisation that once prided itself on looking after its people now unashamedly resorts to cheating some of those people as a means to save money. I know the MOD is broke, and that body armour for the troops on the front line has to be paid for somehow, but it is still a depressing example of flawed reasoning and moral weakness by our leaders that an utterly arbitrary metric - in this case the distance between a serviceperson's family home-base and their (current) place of work - has become a means to discriminate between the rewards package offered to some over that offered to others.

Another nail in the coffin ....


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