So......if my MT section decided that I wasn't allowed to drive their vehicles any more because I accelerate and brake too hard - would they have to provide me with a driver to get to meetings??

Unfortunately, it was via the 2* that the ban came into force, with posting and to a job where travel was not a real issue - unless you flew for a few hours???

Just do as we're asked and set off a bit earlier? MT will not provide and the train (2nd Class) can be a real pain; you have to be of a certain level to have MT’s at you beck and call!!

I hope they'd simply tell you that you had 2 choices:

1. Wise up and don't drive like a chav.
2. Make your own way to your meetings.

dilly - if you want to have a shoe-wetting competition with a WO who has seen most every single abuse of MT and the regulations, then go for it. MTOs are not known for their tolerance when someone tries to play the system.

Seriously, £20 will get you a fine GPS/phone jammer.

Wise investment.

Stop fretting about a bit of EUMS in your car, you master race skygods have had it in your chariots for years.

And we could tell when a certain pilock (T) had used what jet, it was as if he had a digital throttle - off and max.

Any initiative which stops the waste of my hard earned tax dollars so youse lot can go hooning about the airfield on nights is a good thing.

Abuse of MT, whatever next

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This could be an interesting area. Driver A sets out for HQ at 0600 to arrive by 0900. Now he may be a bit sleepy at the start and should take a break at 2 hrs or so depending on road conditions. Everything being equal, he shoould be in the green for the whole of that journey even with the early start.

After a full day, and departing at 1600 he should take another break at 1800 but may already have stretched his duty driving day. If he is still in the green then he may be OK but if he is in the Red then this is more than likely an indication of fatigue and high risk. That should be complete justification for finding an hotel for the night and claiming T&S.

Pull that one a few times and the meetings will get shorter or overnight in the mess will become the norm. How many people really MUST get back to the office the next day.

I hate driving anyway so I am going for the red and ban - without the posting!!! I vote for VTC in all Ward rooms and Messes!!!

Mr C Hinecap

I'm Sorry if your didn't like my insight into your background, but after you typed: (my red)

You're the same crowd who can always do the job better than me regardless - but I will maintain my demure demeanor and humour you once more.

I could not resist it:). It did get more funny though, once you mentioned Leconfield, as it would have been someone exactly like me who would have trained you there:ok:.

You are of course perfectly entitled to think that my view of the RAF being mostly on road users is outdated, but IMHO they still have a lot of work to do to catch up with my former service (the service who trained you, and have the vast majority of combat drivers):)

Speaking as a person who is partly responsible for the administration of this system at my unit, I would suggest that some of you look here: Greenroad to educate yourselves as to what the system actually does. Secondly, I would suggest that those of you whose units have not taken the time to explain the system to its users, should ask your section heads to contact the MTO and ask for a proper briefing as to the why`s and wherefores of this project.

barnstormer1968

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You are of course perfectly entitled to think that my view of the RAF being mostly on road users is outdated, but IMHO they still have a lot of work to do to catch up with my former service (the service who trained you, and have the vast majority of combat drivers)

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With the greatest of respect to what you may have been in the past, I have just attended a course at DST Leconfield and I can tell you as an ex RAF Driving Instructor and professional driver for 32 years, the way they are training drivers, combat or otherwise, there puts the fear of God into me.

Just found an article in the March/April edition of Navigation News - GPS Jamming.

In brief it mentions jammers which are easily available online but which are illegal in UK and spoofing. A brief-case sized spoofer was developed in 2008
and it is believed that hackers and criminals would be able to get an affordable version in two years.

One use of jammers was stated to be 'disobedience of company policies where GPS is used to locate cargo or personnel.'

John M

Please check your PM's:)

thanks john, thats exactly what i was looking for!

I think our record is getting it into the red within 50m of starting off:)

If this is such a good investment why do we not see it in the many Hertz, Avis, National and other hire cars that we get to drive so often?

I would much rather use my own car for duty travel but some beancounter has decreed that you must have business use on your insurance (at extra cost) in order to claim back your mileage costs. So it's OK to commute to work and claim home to duty (or whatever we are calling it now) but not to drive to another station for a meeting and back. Madness:ugh:

@ [email protected]:- how do you know they are not fitted to the hire cars? Many hire companies have them fitted but have chosen not to have the "traffic lights" fitted. If you manage to get it "into the red" within 50 metres I am glad I am not in the car with you. As far as using your own car is concerned most insurance companies will now give you this cover at no extra charge. If you prefer to use your own car why not ask your insurer.

John

When I first started using my car to commute in the early 80's, a very friendly JNCO ic Travel Claims pointed out to me that it was already a requirement for claiming Home to Duty and was actually written into the relevant QR. My insurance company provided the cover at no extra cost. It paid dividends when Handbrake House at a new posting had a purge of claimants car insurance policies and rejected an awful lot of claims and demanded repayments...fortunately mine wasn't one of them. Must say a big thank you to the delightful little WRAF Cpl who gave me that useful bit of info....who am I to argue with the wife!!

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It has always been a requireement that you had to have business insurance for business travel. My Insurance company used to charge but now it is free on request.

But travelling from home to another place for the purposes of work (even if it is a few hundred miles away is technically commuting not business use - my insurers want extra for business cover and I don't believe it is necessary.

Business cover would be appropriate if you are conveying other people for hire or reward (in that case them claiming back costs on JPA) but travelling to Valley for example for a meeting (ie work) by yourself is simply commuting which I am sure shouldn't require any other cover than the normal domestic, social and pleasure category - although I don't class going to Valley under any of those:)

John M - you're not apilot are you:)

My insurance had a clause stating to and from work had to be a "permanent place of work". That would leave out meetings, short courses etc.

crab, you're quibbling. My insurance included commuting to my place of work; now it doesn't :}