|
Red Arrows collision (Merged)
Sky reporting two red arrows collided nr crete.
Update. Now reporting pilot in hospital after ejecting. |
Red Arrows collision
BBC 24 reporting collision over Cyprus - one 'pilot' in hospital after baling out, other a/c involved landed safely. Here's hoping no second crewman in lost a/c, or if there was there's another survivor.
|
They don't carry passangers when flying formation (which the news reports say they were), only on transit flights.
|
Oops!
It seems that 2 mods were merging the last 2 threads on this topic at EXACTLY the same time and have totally confused the wiggly amps, so that the redirects are going into what seems to be a closed loop and neither of the old threads is now available. So, feel free to post what you did before in here. :O |
|
|
|
The state of the two aircraft is not yet known. Times |
How long do we have to endure the automatic ban on the word b l o g s p o t ?
DefenceNet just posted that the number of aircraft that were involved in the accident were 2. Initially it posted the number of aircraft involved was 3. According to this site there was only one ejection. The other pilot managed to land his aircraft. The Red Arrows team has been at the Kastelli Air Base since yesterday and was scheduled to be there until 31/03. Reportedly the pilot who ejected has been seriously injured. No fatalities have been reported. Edit: According to another report the injuries of the pilot who ejected are not threatening. The pilot ejected at low altitude while over the runway. There were no injuries on the ground as a result of the crash. http://greece-salonika.b l o g s p o t.com/2010/03/red-arrows.html |
Worrying thing is that they Op from Cyprus at this time of year. Lets hope it isn't one the two new members of the team. My thoughts are with the team.
|
It seems that 2 mods were merging the last 2 threads on this topic at EXACTLY the same time and have totally confused the wiggly amps EDIT: To remove confusion over pic of 'crashed Hawk' |
Photo of the jet which made it down safely......
|
|
doesn't really look like Crete in that pic of 252 though..
The one on the Greek website I mean. |
The blurb on sky says that the picture was taken at Iraklion,and that is right next to the sea.
|
At least is didn't happen during the airshow season. Many more could be affected. This is exactly why they go through such demaning training.
Let's hope there isn't a big backlash with this one. Best wishes to the team. |
just heard one is in hospital after ejecting. his status is not known yet to the media and the other managed to land safely.
hopefuly nothing serious and they will be up and running again in no time. |
They don't carry passangers when flying formation |
as far as I have it
http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content...4/15580386.jpg 1 of the 2 aircraft and the rest of the Team landed safely while the other has crashed into the sea - pilot ejected safely and is now in hospital with a dislocated shoulder. |
BOAC:Having zoomed the pic of the jet, it looks remarkably as if 252 is having a really bad time, no matter what colour it is painted.http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...lies/smile.gif You can almost hear it saying "oh no, here we go again...." |
A spokesman is quoted: ""We can confirm that an incident has occurred "
Does the fact that it is termed an "incident" rather than an accident suggest they are keeping open the possibility that it was deliberate? Otherwise, why not just say an accident. |
252 is not shown as a current team aircraft so it may be an old photo.
RAF Red Arrows - The Hawk Aircraft |
There is a generalised train of thought to get away from the term "Accident".
In Police circles, the definition RTA (Road Traffic Accident) has now been moved to RTC (Road Traffic Collision). No-one for one minute will be suggesting that this was a deliberate act. These guys are the cream of the crop of RAF pilots, but due to the nature of their performance, there is always the chance of an incident, particularly in training where new maneouvres are being undertaken and new Reds are being brought on board. Let's wish the injured pilot a speedy recovery, and hopefully with it being so early in the season, they'll be able to bring in a replacement Red without too much disruption. I assume they'll have a "reserve" pilot for incidents such as this? Will they just go on practising using the Red 10 aircraft now? Can they shuffle a new Hawk from training duties @ Valley or somewhere else as a replacement aircraft? |
finfly1 you are just being pedantic and nit picking. Why do you feel the need to do it?
|
Hawk T.1A XX252 17 Oct 98 RAF Cranwell, Landed short after practice. Ejected OK.
|
All accidents are incidents - it's just that all incidents aren't accidents. A pic of the one that lost.
Red_Arrows_Hawk_Crash.jpg (image) |
finfly1 - would the use of the word "incident" refer to the fact that they were intentionally undertaking dangerous display flying where a collision could occur (and in this case did)?
These guys are the best in the world. So lets all just hope they are both are OK. |
Describing such events as a 'collision' or 'incident' are an avoidance of initial blame (until proven otherwise). Stops the "have you had an accident?" types getting excited about a claim and commission.
|
Troddenmasses - I think that's an old photo. It has an old livery.
|
That pic was taken in 1998
|
This is the Reds 2010 Team...
RED 1 - Sqn Ldr Ben Murphy (from Loughborough) RED 2 - Flt Lt Ben Plank (Worcestershire) RED 3 - Flt Lt Kirsty Moore (Lincolnshire) RED 4 - Flt Lt Dave Davies (Colwyn Bay, Wales) RED 5 - Flt Lt Zane Sennett (Lincolnshire) RED 6 - Flt Lt Mike Ling (Kent) RED 7 - Flt Lt David Montenegro (Kent) RED 8 - Sqn Ldr Graham Duff (Cumbria) RED 9 - Flt Lt Simon Rea (New Zealand) RED 10 (and Road Manager) - Sqn Ldr Graeme Bagnall (Cumbria) Let's hope it's not Red 3 that crashed or else it'll give the anti-female aviator lobby ammunition. |
ok is that pic the one circulating and being passed off as the greek crash? Do they not realise that an aircraft that crashed on land and one ejected and crashed into sea are too different things?
|
The RAF report on the '98 crash of 252 has the aircraft destroyed by the impact
|
Having spent a portion of my miss spent youth performing for the "ice cream lickers" I still have the impresion that this is just what a portion of the crowd come to see, I made a habit of doning civies and wandering amoungst them and engageing in conversation, most interesting to say the least, human nature I gues.
|
Reuters now reporting "broken legs", according to a Greek official, FWIW:
"The pilot who ejected has broken his legs. He is being transferred to an Athens hospital," said the official. |
For what it's worth, troddenmasses is right. Anything non-standard can be described as an "incident".
An "accident" (as defined in UK Air Law) is, if memory serves, an incident in which anyone is injured, or the aircraft is substantially damaged. Media definitions, however, are presumably the product of their fertile imaginations... |
Best wishes to them both for a speedy recovery; it always stops your heart hearing news like this.
|
Let's hope it's not Red 3 that crashed or else it'll give the anti-female aviator lobby ammunition NoD |
"synchro pair" from BBC reporter located at Scampton
|
IIRC the synchro pair are Reds 6 & 7.
|
| All times are GMT. The time now is 22:16. |
Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.