Or he is in fact being ironic..... :rolleyes:

:hmm:

Yep... ME was just showing where the PC section of today's society will carry things of the direction PN advocates is chosen... without advocating it.

This was shown by the way he quoted of PN's statement, and by the commentary he accompanied that quote with. It was obvious to me, and to Stopstart.



PN said that anyone who commits a murder should NOT be treated as a criminal, but just like anyone else suffering from a mental illness.

This means that whether they are released or not is not in the hands of the law, but of a psychiatrist.

Do what ME was trying to get you to do, and think about where that attitude will lead.

GK, I see where you are going. I was not advocating no trial in the event of murder.

You have a trial to convict and then, by definition, that person is insane, certainly outside the bounds of our society. According to our rules an inane person must be treated not imprisoned.

There are several such people in UK who have been tried and are now incarcerated in mental institutions rather than prisons. That is my point.

Surely there is no logical reason to not imprison an insane person in a facility with treatment but otherwise like a gaol? Upon 'being cured' the person should still serve time for their actions - no? Because imprisonment as a punishment is as much about retribution and - keeping the rest of society safe isn't it? I can follow the argument that murder is by definition the action of someone not mentally capable (of living in and up to the accepted standards of society) but also if one wants to live IN society then there are standards that have to be met to guarantee the safety of everyone else. Being 'cured' of something that manifested itself in the torture, sexual abuse and murder of innocents to me - tends to put you firmly into the 'not in our society' bag.

LT, I was not suggesting that there might be a cure. And as for punishing someone after they are 'cured' is illogical. In a western society murder is beyond the pale and you will be caught. Therefore anyone who commits murder must, by definition, be insane. Ergo, they should be put away for the safety of society.