Good luck, not too many hours under your belt, thats good.

ADF Pilot aptitude testing
 

I am about to sit aptitude testing for ADF pilot training. I understand the aptitude testing has changed somewhat in the last few years. If anyone who has done the testing recently could give me some info, it would be much appreciated. I am trying to find out a bit more on the sequence of testing and what level of mathematics knowledge is required.

Cheers,

Dr. Porkchop. :E

I'm sure things have changed in the last twelve years but knowing your 3.5 times tables is a useful thing :)

When I did it a few months ago I thought it was pretty simplie. 100 questions, with 40 minutes time limit. It had various number patterns, as well as symbol patterns. Quite a few word problems, eg. Printing is to book as computer is to: A;B;C;D

ADF Flight Screening Advice
 

G'Day

I'm soon to complete the ADF flight screening program in Tamworth for possible selection for the Australian Army Aviaiton Unit. Just seeking some advice on preparation for the flying program as well as the Officer Selection Board.

Any advice greatly welcomed.

G'day All Torque,

You just missed a similar thread last month.

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=218573

Bzulu posted a link to the mother of all threads that started in 2002 called "RAAF Aptitude Test Results" . I haven't read it all, but looks like there's lots of good gouge in there.

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=39266

Good luck and enjoy..

PLE..

Hi All Torque

What date does your course commence?

The aircrew testing involves spacial awareness and lots of mental maths. You need to be good to get through and you need to be very good to be competitive. There are some books out there that can help but most of it you cant study for.

When I did the testing there were 7 pilot applicants and only 2 passed the test.

Good luck:)

Hi Doc

I pulled this info from elsewhere. I did this one day course and got thru pretty well . The maths was very good - no surprises on the test . Other stuff also right on the mark. PM me if you wish, and I can elaborate further.

Cheers

Merv


Hello All,

We have been providing training to assist people applying for direct entry and also cadet pilot slots at Qantas Airways.
Specifically we have been providing training to assist people pass the psychometric testing component of selection. To date our program has been extremely successful, some of our achievements to date include

• 80 % of direct entry pilots selected by Qantas Mainline during 2005 attended our course
• 70% of Qantas cadets selected at the start of 2005 attended our course (we had only been operating for 5 months before this)
• Substantial numbers of Jetstar and Qantaslink hired in 2005 attended our course

Our performance data is strong and it is something we are proud of – however we are continuously refining our course. The successful Qantas Cadet pilots will be announced during the next week or so – at least 70% and as many as 85% of them will be clients of ours.

The basis of the program is to get clients practicing numerous sample questions. We know exactly what the test questions are, and make our course questions resemble them very closely. We also teach systematic techniques to approach these types of problems, and instruct people on exam techniques as well as many time saving techniques. We know the best systematic methods to solve these types of problems, and your speed as well as accuracy is vastly improved. That is why our clients go to the top of the Qantas hold file – the will dislodge others as their test score is so much higher.
Over the past six weeks we have released two brand new courses. The courses are:

• Aircrew Aptitude Tests ( for RAAF , RAN, ARMY)
• JOES day course

Both of these programs have been the result of an enormous amount of work. These programs are only run in Melbourne on an individual (one on one) basis –the courses are solely for ADF applicants.
We anticipate that our clients applying for the ADF will have the same level of success that our clients applying to Qantas have. We believe our two ADF courses mirror very closely the actual test you will sit on the day. You will see numerous examples of all questions, and shown shortcuts as well as the best techniques for approaching all problems.
Our Aircrew Aptitude Test Course, like the real ADF test contains four components ie:

• Gauge Reading
• Aircraft Maneuvers
• Aircraft Orientation
• Maths(raw data and applied)

We have spent many hours getting this program right, and we believe that we have achieved that. Many ADF candidates fail the gauge reading component. Our “gauge “template is around 95% in exactness to what you will see in the actual test. Once you have a couple of practice runs with us you will be scoring above 40 out of 54 when you sit the actual test (a very strong pass).
With regard to the maths component you will be practicing in our course many times over the exact style, and design of question that you will see in the actual test. It also stands to reason with Aircraft maneuvers, and Aircraft orientation that if you practice this type of question 200 times, and are shown the best methods – that on test day your score will be much higher.
All of our clients who have completed our new course have passed their aircrew aptitude tests. More significantly they all achieved at least a “band two “pass – which is a very strong pass. It is our view that if you have the motivation and are prepared to work hard that our company and our program will get you through the Aircrew Aptitude Test.
Lastly we have also developed a program to assist applicants obtain a high score in the JOES test. As you know ALL applicants to the ADF have to sit the JOES test. The score you obtain in this test will determine whether you can proceed to further specialist testing, such as Aircrew.

So if you intend applying to ADFA, or Duntroon, or wish to join the Navy as a Seaman Officer this course is an important one for you. We have developed a program that will greatly boost your score at JOE’s day; this program is full one day individual course which again is run in Melbourne.

The JOES day is a broad spectrum type of IQ test and contains ten distinctly different types of questions. The questions can be broadly separated into verbal, numerical, and diagrammatic, but there are up to four distinctly different styles of questions in these three main categories. Some of these types of questions (letter codes, Greek alphabet codes) are quiet unusual and it is highly unlikely that you will be able to find any example questions.

However in our one day JOE’s course we have a comprehensive database of around 50 example questions in each of the ten categories. All candidates who have completed our course recently have reported getting over 85 questions done (out of 100) when they sat their actual JOES test. Our course will get you a much higher score as we will make sure you thoroughly understand the logic of question type (including all variations), before we do fifty practice questions.

So that is almost enough from me for now. Please feel free to email any questions or post them below. Enquiries regarding bookings and pricing can be obtained by emailing us. You are also more than welcome to call us with any questions you have - don't be shy!
Also if you are interested in our program and would like to be kept on a mailing list, so you can be kept informed about developments please email us.
Best Regards

[email protected]
Ph: 0427 053 715
www.******************

If you guys can't find an (almost identically named) forum on this subject without creating an identical thread, what chance have you of finding a dirt Lz/Dz south of Mataranka in the night????

Wanted to quickly add top notch for JOES test also, I reckon around 40 to 50 questions I saw on course were in the real test.

Thanks guys...shall give it my best!!!

Well Done mate, I am hoping to get a shot this year. I am 26 and have been worried about age. Best of luck.

Merv thanks for your reply mate, I contacted PATS and will seriously consider.

Dr. Porkchop

Dr Porkchop,

Just out of curiosity, how much was the PATS testing?

Thanks Joker.

I will update this thread after my Board Interview at Tamworth.

and what is your cut to place the Ad on Pprune?

Firstly, DTN08 I was quoted $1900 for a two day 'course.' To LJR, I didn't put the add on the site and know nothing more about it!

Digging this thread up again as it seems to have slipped away...
Thought I'd update on my application after waiting the 3 months - had my JOES day, pilot specialization tests and assessment day last month. It was definately an interesting experience and so far recruiting seems quite positive about my chances. Was interesting being a latter aged applicant (I'm 27 now) as the defence interviewer was an Army pilot who couldn't have been 12 months older than I was. And the Psych was the same guy who interviewed me 10 years ago when I first applied! Thankfully he had no hesitation in recommending me through.
Unfortunately I have to get a few medical letters before they send my application off to Tamworth. I need an opthomologist report (I'm slightly shortsighted) and a report from my orthopedic surgeon for a bankhart repair on my right shoulder about 5 years ago. I'm hoping he stands up for the quality of his work :)
For those that have been through the system or are there currently, how many opportunities are there to visit wives/husbands while at IOT at Point Cook? Also how long does it take before you're 'brought back together'? (i.e. after Combat Survival Training?)
Marco

Hi Theedmancometh,

RAAF upper age limit is 43, but they have a stated preferrence for 27.5 years old.

See:
http://www.defencejobs.gov.au/default.asp?p=742#403

So far recruiting have said that my age may have an impact on whether the RAAF accept me, but there are no guarantees either way (obviously!) so it comes down to getting the RAAF to understand why they need me instead of some 17y.o. straight out of school. :E

They've also said that the RAN and the Army won't see my age as a deterrant to entry to those services.

And it was mentioned earlier in this thread IIRC that someone has started IOT at age 30, so it's not impossible. :ok:

Marco