Mmmh,

My comment on impartiality was merely based on one Civil ATCO (PPrune Rad) kinda wading in in a spat between another Civil ATCO and in this case a jounalist who appeared on balance to have elequently outlined his position. I take the point about a limited number of mods!

I am not wanting to be dragged into the overall spat.

I stand by my comment however that the manner of the original post, well meaning although somewhat confrontational, is more likely to alienate those from whom feedback is sought. Flight safety would be best served with a balanced appropriate discussion in a tone that is likely to elicite positive feedback and not put up a brick wall between two communities.

And surely he ought not to be seething whilst on radar, better be relieved than in the wrong frame of mind. Kinda goes hand in hand with my previous comment I guess.

IMHO

Journalism certainly wasn't my first choice of career, and I can't think of any aviation or defence journo who isn't, at root, a frustrated fighter pilot. I don't think one would make much of a journo in this sphere unless you had, or you'd had that level of passion for the business. There may be some ATCOs who never wanted to be aviators, but not many, I'll be bound.

As to professional standards, I'm happy with mine, thanks, and I'm glad that you're happy with yours. At my end of the business, writing about military aerospace on a full-time basis, I'd say that standards are pretty high, to be honest.

And though I'm sure many ATCOs wouldn't want to trade places with me, Air Traffic lay many, many places down on my list of career choices. I'm entirely happy with my second choice of career and would not have wanted to be an air trafficker for all the tea in China.

HEDP

rest assured TAD would have been taken off radar as soon as the incident was resolved - standard procedure.

Once dealt with (something that is usually automatic with ATCOS - almost an involuntary - but good - reaction), and once the situation is resolved, then one would tend to replay it in ones mind... thats when any seething would start!

However as stated, its standard procedure to remove the ATCO from position regardless of blame and allow them to a) calm down; b) file any required reports and c) compose himself.

rest assured, as an ATCO does not have access to PPrune whilst controlling, the seething I referred to above would have been done in his own time, probably somewhere between points b) and c) above :ok:

Jackonicko -

Glad to see you think yourself professional - I was merely alluding to the difference in the average (hence general) standards. It's just a pity that you could not maintain that professionalism and think before your vitriolic diatribe at post number 24.

I'm sat here wondering whether 80+ posts on a rumour network have actually achieved anything. :*

Look on the bright side. We now have a better understanding of why certain posters followed their chosen careers.:rolleyes:

Not wanting to throw petrol on the fire but.....

I've had subsidised beer in the mess.

'twas a few years ago though.

:oh:

Who do i complain to??

I find it unacceptable that that a so called professional controller has put specific details of an incident on a forum like this.

Whats the number??

You'll find that's a moderators job methinks. To try and divert the spats back to the topic being discussed. You'll also find I placed blame on both sides.

Yes, the following is very eloquent and grown up, don't you think ....

As I think we've done the attitudes thing to death on this thread, and should concentrate on the infringements issue, future posts not on topic are liable to be deleted, if PPRuNe so decides. Call it summary justice if you will :ok:

To put things back in context then:

In 2006 (the latest full year figures available), 13% of identified infringers were military aircraft. That's around 82 infringements over the year by professional military pilots. To provide the balance, 74% were identified as GA aircraft. But bear in mind there are 8000+ registered GA aircraft in the UK, not including those foreign aircraft which visit our shores. The number of hours flown by GA in UK airspace will be astronomical compared to those flown by the military over a year. The threat to civil aircraft entitled to protection within Controlled Airspace is a very real one. Military pilots can play their part in reducing the stats, as can every other pilot in our skies.

Iccarus,
What specific details of the incidents(x2) are you talking about.I know a lot more about the aircraft involved,but haven't mentioned them here.
If you want to have a complaint,then look up the number in the phone book.:D
This so called professional controller has been having,witnessing,reporting these incidents for over 25 years,and so far the reduction of them has been almost nil at this unit.As I said before how long does it take for a professional band of pilots to get the message? Another 25 years? :ugh:

PS How much is a pint in the mess today?:zzz:

TAD

You've made your point (some would say badly), all you are doing now by keeping this thread going is reaffirming some posters opinion of you and your attitude. There is nothing constructive coming from this thread at all. Would the EGPD SATCO (I sincerely hope you arent the SATCO:eek:) want one of his controllers having a slanging match on a public forum about a topic as serious as airspace infringments?

Time to put up or shut up, do something official or let it lie on here at least!

DD

Well sort of says it all really doesn't it!

"Professional" controller airs his grievances on a public forum!! Well done that man!

If he really wants to convince me of his professionalism, maybe he should delete the thread.

How often do you see aircrew posting on a public forum everytime air traffic make a mistake??

Throw a Dyce

Do you really expect to be taken seriously with comments like this. The topic to which you refer is undoubtedly a serious one, worthy of dialogue at the appropriate level, but to do it on a public forum is unforgiveable.

How frequently do the mil bong your zone?

When did you last make a genuine professional mistake?? Bet you didnt rush home to post that on PPrune did you

@rse:mad: