UCL Bans Military Recruitment
 

Im completely outraged. Shame on you UCL for letting this happen.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...e_id=1770&ct=5

and from the morons themselves:

http://www.uclunion.org/general/down...psoutofucl.doc

:mad:

RBuzzer.

Bunch of idiot students.

Good to see that Slavonic and Eastern European Studies and History of Art courses still leave people with enough time to spoil it for other people

We used to get similar nonsense from certain Colleges when I was involved in UAS recruiting.

So, if we ever got a refusal, I used to write to the Student Union in question stating that "We regret your unwillingness to allow your students their own freedom of choice in a democratic society".

In those days it was often gay liberationists and the odd trendy lefty who tired to dictate their views to the Union; however, these days it is probable that the troublemakers come from other sections of what I hesitate to call 'society'.

To be fair to UCL, it's not the College that has imposed a ban, but the SU which has banned to OTC from the Freshers' Fair(e - why they insist on the e in the motion is beyond me). Not unprecedented, if somewhat disappointing and possibly not representative of the views of the student body as a whole; the motion was passed at an AGM, apparently packed with left wing groups supported by the Islamic Society; a motion "twinning" with 2 Palestinian universities was also passed. As the meeting was only held on Wednesday no minutes are yet available online, so I'm going by the report on Educationet by a poster with the handle UCLleftie. the fact that it would be relatively easy to pack was no doubt highlighted by the fact the meeting was reconvened after an attempt at an AGM in Feb was inquorate.

My point is don't tar the college or all of its students with the same brush as the politically active minority.

What a bunch of pinko-leftie, sandal-wearing, tofu-eating w:mad:s.

Proposer:

Sham Rajyaguru SSEES

Seconders:

Edward Hood History
Rachel Page SSEES
Tom Elliot SSEES
Arabel Luscombe SSEES
Alex Jordan History
Sara Hall Hebrew & Jewish St.
Craig Griffiths German
Simon Bull Philosophy
Maggie Gray History of Art
Michael Barnett SSEES

Shame on you all. I hope you never need to depend on any of HM Forces personnel for your very existance, for I fear they will leave you to your fate.

Don't take it too seriously. It is just the immature posturing of youth in their first experience of intelectual freedom. Remember that the Oxford Union voted just before WW2 that under no circumstances would they ever fight for King or Country. A few years later they helped save the World!

So, proposed by someone studying at the School of Slavonic and East European Studies.

And supported by 4 other SSEES students, 2 reading History, 1 reading History of Art, 1 reading Hebrew and Jewish studies, 1 reading philosophy and 1 reading German.

You would have thought that at least some of them would have understood the concept of democracy and the right of free expression.....

...you would also have hoped that these supposedly educated individuals would be able to state their edict in grammatically correct english. Let's hope that the remaining student body is aware that this pathetic bunch has taken their name in vain with a rather feeble and ill-educated decision; perhaps they can educate Mr Rajyaguru on the use of the apostrophe while they're at it?

BEagle's comment is spot on; the irony of a lefty SU banning free speech is priceless!

Pro Studewrote:

Happily of course, he's quite wrong. As another thread shows, our servicemen and women are a cut above the wankers referred to here.

Long may that continue.

CG
(who at 51, is in awe of what our young service personnel do day in, day out in our name)

looking at the way youngsters generally think, will probably have the opposite effect !!! By voting to ban they've probably made it 'cool' , so probably will help recruitment !!!

Same sort of carp at Manchester Uni and UMIST 15 years ago; we got round it somehow and finished up with a fine bunch of students, several of whom have gone on to worthwhile careers in the RAF, despite the petty snivelling and obstruction of their SU at the time

They lost me at:

Who do they think our men and women in Afghanistan are fighting? Do they not believe that AQ is a threat to national security, and that as such our presence in Afghanistan is a matter 'of national defence'?

Numpties.

Being a current UAS student, such rules are not surprising.

When recruiting during Fresher's Week, we're not allowed inside any of the SU buildings, haven't been for years.

The SU is obviously more than happy to keep punching out legions of check-out girls, white van drivers, benefit dependants, which is all their qualifications entitle them to.

Forgive the intrusion from a long time lurker, but;

I recognise the name 'Sham Rajyaguru' as an ex-sea cadet who used to frequent the forums at aircadetcentral.net to inject socialist ramblings...

Good to see the proponents of this movement are all availing themselves of the basket-weaving courses at UCL. Heaven forfend that they should require an understanding of politics!

Lurker here for a long time... and a UCL student too. Also had a great time on ULAS for the three years I was there.

The only reason the motion got passed is because of SWP/Stop-the-War collusion with a sympathetic chairperson. Basically, a lot of the opposers to this motion walked out because they got pissed off at the conduct of the meeting.

Rest assured, liberal-minded students at UCL are working to revoke this piece of Union bollocks that appeases to the far right.

This is a battle played out across many universities in the UK, more normally with respect to involvement of the defence industry in terms of funding. (UCLU already seem to have passed a motion to do this, but so far UCL have told them to f*** off...)

What you tend to find is such motions are unsuccessful as engineering and science students (who normally couldn't give a damn about student politics) are capable of mobilising large numbers of people quickly.

I know of one example (not at Bristol) where such a motion was introduced by stealth. The faculty of engineering students were able to raise hundreds of students within a couple of hours who marched on the meeting and 'made their displeasure felt'.

Certainly there's a general feeling that such students will not stand for pathetic time wasting lefties with too much spare time getting in the way of their lives.

More generally when these things sneak through you'll find that the silent of majority of students will move to oppose the supporters on an overwhelming scale.

Sadly large parts of the UCLU site seem to be suffering some sort of overload/denial of service attack at the moment so I can't look into this in more detail.

Sorry guys...it called democracy.

If you get the votes, etc...........they win...its crap but that the way it is!

Muppetofthenorth

Being a current UAS student, such rules are not surprising.
Then recruiting during Fresher's Week, we're not allowed inside any of the SU buildings, haven't been for years.

Have you considered the fact that since you are now paying for your education directly, more than ever before, you have a Contract with the University, NOT the SU student committee. If you are ‘banned’ from part of the University for attempting to carry out normal and lawful student activities then you should take it up with the University authorities. Start with the informal grievance process and don’t hesitate to go to the formal level if necessary.

If the University authorities will not support you, then please copy their responses here for taxpayer scrutiny.

Apologies, I should have worded my response more clearly:

We have been prohibited from recruiting on SU property.


I say 'have been' because there is now a member of the UOTC who is a newly elected official in the Union who has pledged to change this.

Use the System!!
 

When I was a student in the 1970s, the SU's constitution was geared up to allow a minority of left wing "activists" to pass motions in the name of the students at the University. However, the engineering faculty attended a meeting of the union mob handed (easily outnumbering the "Black Lesbian Street Theatre against the Bomb Brigade") and voted free beer to be available for the Engineering Building every Friday night for a year at union expense.

Perhaps the UAS/OTC etc could do the same one day.....?

Same thing happened whilst I was on UAS. Filthy lefty sandal wearing hippies would ban the OTC/UAS from recruiting due to policy on homosexuals serving.

All that happened was we set up shop on the main street directly outside the freshers fair anyway; the fuss and commotion the filthy commie toerags used to make did nothing but promote recruitment of the "right sort" to the UAS anyway!!!

This sort of thing has been going on since the fifties. They are students, what else do you expect?

;).....................................................:rolley es:

An excellent argument, Sham.... :hmm: this is obviously what we can expect from our 'great' institutions nowadays.

So, let's hear your case. What do you have to say for yourself? Or don't you have the balls..?

The point of a feshers fayer is for the students of the given university to go along and see what clubs etc. are available to them. Why should one club be punished and not others? I'm sure that more people would be interested in UOTC/UAS than the 'extreem frisbee' club? I know i would be.:}

As the proposer of the motion and, I presume, a believer in the democracy of student politics perhaps you should respond with words, not smilies.

Your assertions are gravely offensive to many, and your understanding of the role of both regular and reserve forces is flawed. It is safe to assume that your views are not shared by the student body as a whole, as the main participants in student politics have always been the lefty apprentice scargillites, trotskyists, anarchists, crusties etc and rarely, if at all, the moderates or right wingers. I anticipate that your, and the Union's actions, will be an embarrassment to the university, especially at this time.

Like many lefty student agitators before, you probably think you are a big fish in the safe little pond of university life. Unfortunately, you don't know how deep that pond is yet. If you ever expose yourself to the real world, you may be in for a shock.

As he's 84 he's probably still on English 101.:D

Leave Sham alone
 

Leave Sham alone you boolies. History will prove once again that war is rong and achieves nothing but suffering and sadness.:mad:

This has got to be a wind-up!

Edward Hood History - your grasp of spelling and punctuation appalls me. Stop messing about on here and get yourself an education such that you stand a fighting chance of composing a reasonable CV.

Sham Rajyaguru - the floor is yours. Justify your wretched posture, you pathetic little man/woman.

I was also at UCL from 1986 - 1990 (nothing wrong with my maths - I enjoyed my 2nd year so much that I decided to do it again).

OTC/UAS etc were banned from recruiting at the Freshers Fair then as well - didn't seem to hold back the applications.

As is so often the case a very small number of pathetic mewling lapdogs have a loud yap and seem to get their way - the vast majority of students realise that they are spouting complete political b0ll0x and ignore them, and are generally too busy drinking beer, getting laid and having fun to bother stopping them.

The Rugby, and Hockey clubs were always staunch bastions of right wing values, and brave was the idiot that attempted to sell copies of socialist worker to them (yes, they did try).

CS

Does anybody know the origin of the name Sham Rajyaguru or is it Shambles Rogeredaguru. I.e country of origin and if it is a name that is closely linked to any particular leaning towards any particular religion. I really think the fact that he was a sea cadet should be fed to the local press, whom I am sure will cover this. I bet the lefty members of the SU would love to know that he was/pretended to be a Sea Cadet.

It's a tamil name, no?

War is also quite good fun...
 

Sham and Edward,

Presuming, for the moment, your bona fides, as a well educated chap (BSc, MSc(hons) MPhil (Cantab) etc) I can assure you that war is rarely 'rong'. It is, however, a lot of fun.

Sham is, surely, the diminutive of 'Shambolic', which would seem to me to be about right.

I am not sure the motion will last for long. Go to this page and read some of the comments by UCL students/members. You MUST GO HERE ANYWAY! go to post 39 from Capt Planet to see the best Avtar on the internet:D:D:D:D

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...=538005&page=2

Also somewhat stunning to see the UCL SU are unable to spell "ammendment" (sic) correctly! What are we wasting our taxes on if the officials of the Union cannot even spell? :ugh:

Edited to add:

D-d-d-damn!;)

It's Sham RajyAGURU. ADMIN GURU!!!!