Basil,

When were you last in the Air Force. As long as there is top cover, you can be in the Bar in uniform and drinking!! at whatever time you like. Bugger all this "An officer must be smart at all times". It is a home for the livers-in. I'll bet you don't dress up to have a glass of wine or beer in your lounge of an evening?

1. I don't believe I said otherwise.
2. What is your interpretation of :p:p ?
Ooohh! :p

I've lost count of the number of times that I've heard that nonsense. Please tell me that you are not a senior officer or MACR. I expect that kind of rubbish from JOs and sgts

As a liver-in, your home is behind your front door, which is the door to your room(s). The bar is a public room; the dining room and ante-room likewise. One benefit of living in is that you live very close to the nearest boozer, but that doesn't make it an extension to your home.

The problem with this thread is that the original poster used the words, "growbag" in the title thus attracting a discussion. The situation in the filling station, wrt CS95, has been discussed to the point of tedium.

Regarding the wearing of flying suits off base, the rules have been reproduced in this discussion and are quite clear. On base, in the bar, individual messes have the right through general meetings to decide what is acceptable dress in their public rooms.

... blimey!

That'll make for a few quiet squadron weddings....... :E

AC ovee,
So only senior officers dress in a smart and appropriate manner in their messes? Tell that to the Marines, as the old saw has it! Most of the senior ranks messes to which I have belonged had a strict dress code which no-one was allowed to break. I did visit an RAF senior ranks mess one evening and was confronted by a pair of aged old buffers wearing open-necked shirts and slippers, so there may well be a problem peculiar to the RAF!:E

AC Ovee, I live out but I also understand that I don't have to dress up to go to my local pub or out to my local resteraunt for dinner and therefore the livers in shouldn't have to either, no matter how close it is.

kkbuk
What mess would that be then? - the RAF Club or the 51 Sqn crew-room?
Junior Ranks, SNCO's and Officers, yes! - never heard of a Senior Ranks mess
But back to the thread - "The Mess is 'Home' to the livers-in and a social venue for all Officers and their families" - which is enshrined in most Officers' Mess Rules.
However (comma) over the sad years, thanks to H&S, Food Act, staff attitudes, and piss poor performances of PMC's, the livers-in are treated like stand-ins for Rising Damp
I suspect that they rebel by being stupid enough to test the system by dressing like pratts and exploiting their 'freedom to roam' without realising the consequences, despite what they were taught at Cranditz - their argument possibly, when caught in the Ante-Room improperly dressed - "My trainers alone cost more than your suit, and by the way, this is my home - anyway, who are you, and I'm not sure what room I'm in - are the public allowed in?"
And then they go to Happy Hour to have few beers, get really stupid and de-brief their RO's before retiring to their very basic 0* room for which the Mess charges visitors about £48 - room only
Such fun
ISK O'Mess is a mess, and I empathise with the singlies

buoy15,
had the PMC just kicked you out or had you had a long afternoon in the Rugby Club before posting that rant at 11 last night? In yesterdays Sun Mr J Carkson urged his readers to exercise the right not to shop at a certain BP station. He even quoted the address. Mr C is always very well informed on HM Forces matters, perhaps he reads the likes of here and the outher forces forums?

I don't think so :hmm:

I presume kkbuk refers to the SNCOs' Mess where, during the course of visits, I have always been treated courteously by smartly dressed members.

Once again a perfectly good thread has degenerated into a pathetic squabble about flying suits and Mess dress standards. I have listened to the same old whinging for the last 30 years now and it doesn't change.

Given the level of childishness is it any wonder that the publics perception of the military is so poor.

This thread is about our right to be seen in public in uniform and to go into shops etc without being challenged or discriminated against by some opinionated upstart.

The excuse given by BP for this incident was pathetic and I for one will not be using BP service stations in the future.

serving alcohol to members in uniform
 

Having heard this story on the radio, I had an instant idea of what may have occured. But having gone through all of the above post's, with the typical PPRuNe thread creep, I have several issue with the whole uniform outdoor thing.
I will admit to being bias (being ex army), so I am usually very pleased to do anything for serving military, and like to see you folks out and about in uniform. No, I have never worked in a shop, so can't speak for shop workers, but can often find them very uninterested or narrow minded myself.
BUT I agree with some of the above post's in that I really dont like to see folks on the street in unifrorm that could give the local down and outs a run for their money in the scruffyness stakes.
I was very proud to serve this country, and only wish more of the population could have the same values, and discipline that we (ex, and serving) show to each other, value, and live by. But then on the other hand, I was about to buy my first poppy of the year last week, while in a supermarket. In the queue behind me was a young soldier, whom could hardly dress himself, and looked a totally mess, (I can honestly say, that I had looked smarter after two weeks in the field, that this bloke just out of camp). It was such a poor advert for the forces that I didn't buy my poppy there, as I didnt want to be associated with him. So if I feel like that, how do "jo public" feel.
Overall, I still have massive respect for our armed forces, and am grateful for what they give/endure on my behalf, with little or no backing from the current government. But can any of you folks, who have any influence do anything to smarten up some of the creatures wandering around almost inside of their wrinkled 95's. (and yes I'm sure it may affect their human right's if you say anything)

And as for that particular service station, "stuff them". If the staff don't understand that they can refuse someone in uniform, and have no nasty come back, then they are clearly missing the freedom they have IN THIS COUNTRY (provided courtesy of H.M. forces)

Sorry. rant over.

Barnstormer1968