Even though I am not aircrew, I understand and agree why flying pay is paid - unless pay and conditions (and job satisfaction) are comparable with civi street people will leave. Although there are only a finite number of flying jobs in civi street so I doubt everyone would get one.

What I don't agree with is paying peanuts to employ complete muppets in IPTs who continually mess things up and cause massive delays to projects, not to mention the financial waste that occurs. When will the MOD wake up and stop employing incompetant civil serpants who are as easy to get rid of as a dose of herpes and instead employ talented individuals at the same rates as industry. The money and time saved on projects would more than outweigh the costs.

Slightly off thread I know, but I've had a few fighting beers.

Never lol not of interest to me. Why drop to the bottom of the ladder again.

Actually, you spelt 'your' 'yor'.

Intrigued as to the nature of your business. I do hope it doesn't involve customer service as I fear you are sorely lacking.

So why bleat on like a spoilt brat when you weren't interested in the first place. The flying pay issue as so many have said here is a specialist pay that is paid throughout all three services.

The other specialist pay includes

Diving pay
Submarine pay
Nuclear Propulsion pay
Submarine Escape Tank Training pay
Hydro graphic pay
Mountain Leader pay
Parachute pay
High Altitude Parachute pay

For a SNCO you don't appear to be very bright.

Good banter chaps. Nice to see a fighting attitude.

But come on we all know the pay out side is better we are just geting bribes to stay in (this trade that trade each year as things come and go.)

Had a few fighting G and T's here too lol (god and not a zob (G and T what next))

Over the fence is a big world go for it one day you are going to be kicked out make sure you escape on your terms............. look after the wife and kids and those below you in rank. :ok:

Now then, toddle off to bed like the good boy that you are.....after all, you've got many people to look after 'to the max' tomorrow.
Sweet dreams.

Shall I leave a light on so you don't have nightmares about all those nasty pilots types?

Every business is run on customer service... :ugh: and some of us don't need to advertise word of mouth ...is all you need and a little bit of time... happy days.

What is that supposed to mean? How do you advertise then?

'not a pilot'

Damn, sorry, I could only get it into 3 words....

Looking forward to your FOI return....SIR.

FOI act your dream come true only costs a second class stamp (or could have put that a (ground crew stamp.))

What? You do realise that drug taking is frowned upon in the Armed Forces.

FOI requests cap at £600 per request. That is, if the time taken to answer it equates to more than £660 worth of 'company time' you may reject it. That doesn't buy you a lot of aircrew time now does it?:hmm:

Like i have never seen a pi$$ed up Pilot taxi to the end of the runway then come back saying smell of smoke in the cockpit cant fly ...........Grow up....

blogger,

If YOU were putting in so many hours and working so hard in the mob as you think others should, how come you had enough spare time and energy to run your own business? I take it this wasn't done in the Queen's time.......

Blogger,

You're a disrespectful arsehole.

L Met

It seems to be all about the hours for Blogger....

How many hours would you like each pilot to fly before receiving a day's rate of FP ?

Strikes me this Blogger fellow is a prime target for some kind of temptation from Johnny Foreigner... Disaffection or something? Any scruffers about?

Well, my solution is to clap him in irons until he cheers up a little, because he's clearly a grumpy old git!

Blogger

Honest question - who looks after your business whilst you are out of area or on detachment (or, god forbid, holiday)? All the business gurus will tell you that it takes considerable effort to build a ltd company up to having a turnover sufficient to be VAT registered without substantial effort 365 days a year (and doing this after a full day in HMs employ as well, together with your fair share of detachments and out of area stints.....).

W

blogger

I've earned plenty of respect throughout my career, thank you. Both as a SNCO and as an officer.

And despite your crowings about just how good you are, 22 years and still only a C/T? You can't be THAT good can you? Or you'd be a WO or commissioned.

And I still hope your business dies on it's arse.

But I suppose you could always auction your QGJM and LSGCM on eBay to keep it afloat.:E

The RAF doesn't need dinosaurs like you any more. If you've had time to run up a VAT registered Ltd Co, then you're worth even less to the RAF than your ill-educated and vitriolic posts suggest. Do remember to let us know when it's your last day. We could all raise our glasses and drink to the passing of another old-school whinging, bigotted dinosaur who give groundcrew a bad name. Unless of course, we're on Ops.

And Ops aren't just something you have in hospitals.

I wonder how many fast jet types joined up because they were going to get flying pay? I imagine that salary was the last thing in their mind.

Aircrew should be rewarded for the role they are in with an appropriate salary. Flying pay appears to be a bonus just for carrying out their job.