toddbabe,

I'm afraid I don't agree with you, so let me play your game......
Give me a justifiable reason why I should have to pay for my uniform in its entirety, and you get yours absolutely 100% FREE.
Please explain that could you?
I'm not for a moment suggesting that you should pay or that things should change, but I am asking you to justify to me and the rest of the Officer Corps what justifiable reason you should get youras for nothing please.
Many thanks
The Winco

ps, As a pilot, with sole charge of a multi milliion pound aircraft, I do believe I am slightly more important than a scribbly frankly! Please note that I didn't say better, just more important.

Winco, as an aside, I asked the same question, only reversed, of the AMP Team. The answer was that they could not afford to stock the clothing for free issue to officers.

That was patently b:mad:ks as they still had to stock it to sell it too us. The only valid reason was that we would have got new uniforms a lot more often if they were free.

Same reason why so many units wear CS95 all the time.

This thread really is taking the pi$$ now !

Can some of you remember that we play with spanners, so that you can land again after punching holes in the sky , if you expect our respect then you have to remember it works both ways, bloody grow up.

ps, As a pilot, with sole charge of a multi milliion pound aircraft, I do believe I am slightly more important than a scribbly frankly! Please note that I didn't say better, just more important.

So how important is the chap who fixes/ services several multi million pound aircraft a day.

Winco you are totally avoiding the question! I agree that you shouldn't have to pay for your uniform, why would I try and justify such a stupid rule?
As it happens I believe that you are more important as a pilot than a scribbly but by arguing that you should get free food when others don't just plays into everyones hands who already believe that Aircrew are a bunch of self important egotisits that believe they are above everyone else!
Now on a serious note, and it doesn't matter whether you agree with me or not please get back on thread and justify to the Whole RAF why Aircrew are entitled to free meals whilst flying in the UK on peacetime Ops and training.
If you can come up with a good reason then we would all love to hear it, because at the moment all you can come up with is we deserve it and don't rock the boat just because "your" perks have gone!
And please remeber I would love to see free food for everyone and am not despite your obvious thoughts trying to take away your free food but would love to know the justification for it.

Toddbabe.

Of course we can afford it, we just do not wish to!

Samuraimutt

Fixed wing/rotary, its all the same.

toddbabe,

1. Did you read my earlier reply ref what the medics say about physiology and flying? They aren't my words, but those of the medical world.
2. Did you read what an earlier post said about 'the rules/regulations about aircrew and food blah?
3. I have never, ever said that we deserve it either! What I have explained, as in 1 & 2 above is that those are the rules.
4. I have never argued that we should get the free food, only that it is stupid for you chaps to argue against us getting it because you don't!

Now I appreciate that you have a problem accepting that aircrew get something that groundcrew don't but what would you suggest we do? We also get some real Gucci kit, and Gucci watch, Gucci socks, T shirts and Sox, so why don't you argue against those? I mean after all, we all have a watch don't we? And what shall we do with the rations? leave all the food on the jet for the groundcrew to have? Would that cheer you up a bit? You guys already get all the leftovers that you are NOT entitled to, but I don't hear of any aircrew running off to the RAFP telling them that the groundcrew are stealing rations!

Phoney Tony
May I refer you to what I wrote, and ask you to read it carefully please? It said........'As a pilot, with sole charge of a multi milliion pound aircraft, I do believe I am slightly more important than a scribbly frankly! Please note that I didn't say better, just more important'
I don't recall making any reference to aircraft engineers, only scribblies! As I have stated on many occasions on prune, I hold you chaps in the highest esteem, so please do not ever accuse me of degrading aircraft engineers - ever.

You are simply hell bent on moaning because 'we' get something for free that you don't, endex. Perhaps I should draft a memo to the AOC suggesting that as a further cost-cutting measure, all ranks should pay for their own uniforms eh? After all, if its good enough for you chaps, then its got to be good enough for the officers as well!

The Winco

Of course it is Tourist.:hmm:

"Fixed wing/rotary, its all the same"

That's what all those who failed fast jet always say :rolleyes:

Winco,
Your biggest mistake was in trying to use logic on a women, that just aint gonna work :E

Are you suggesting that Fixed wing pilots are better than rotary?

sffp
Yes, I think you may have a point there!

enginesuck
I am begining to think that you cannot read what is being written here. Just refer me to one post where the aircrew are, according to you anyway.....'laying it on thick about how bloody great they might be'
I, for one, have never said that, and I can't find anyone else on here who has said anything remotely like that either.

I'm delighted your last det' was a good one, and you got on with your aircrew in the right and proper way, and I trust they felt the same. I no longer have that aircrew/groundcrew problem with my current employer. They recognise (rightly or wrongly) that the Pilot is the person ultimately responsible for the lives and safety of all those on board. (In my case, something usually approaching 400 people) I don't think I'm self-centrered or self-opinionated, too arrogant or otherwise really, but if I say I want to have a 'fry-up' for my breakfast, and a curry for my lunch and sandwiches for an evening meal, then my employers make sure I get them, and whats more, I don't get my FO, Chf Purser, Cabin Services Director, any of the Hosties or indeed anyone in the company moaning at what I effectively get for free, and bleating about it!

We all get perks of one sort or another in life, if you are not happy with the ones you get, then the answer is but a simple one - join a team that does get the right perks for you!

Just about to leave for HK, so talk to you all next week.
The Winco

Rations
 

I remember being an Ops Controller at Gib and a Nimrod crew asking me to sign their F540 cause they had missed dinner. Did you eat on the plane? Well yes we had rations was the reply well thats more then I have had I cant leave the bridge when your airborne and this tri service unit wont give me any missed meals!! I had to pay for take away food to be delivered when hungry when planes on task/inbound! Of course 9/10 times I signed, it depended how their attitude was and whether they had brought me haggis and tattie scones from gods country
:O
NM

Neilmac,

Didn't know that they did haggis and tatty scones in Yorkshire!!

F95!!!
 

Ah well done spotted the deliberate mistake.............head up a*** moment!
Never been good at remembering form numbers.
Its been a long boring day !

NM

I'll take that as a massive bite then Winco!:D and yet still no justification about how come rations are free.
Cheers for now.

If I am on duty, say driving to a station for an appointment over a meal time, I can claim on JPA for a sandwich, drink & choc bar purchased in a service station. If I am flying over a mealtime in the UK I get a butty box provided, to make sure that I keep my energy & blood sugar levels at a sufficient level so that I don't do anything stupid like crash my £65 million aeroplane. It would be nice to be able to arrange all my flights to fit between meals but that wouldn't always make for a sensible flying program.
When I'm on route & working a 16 hr duty day I get a couple of meals for the same reason, & because I can't get to the mess, & it's rather silly to suggest that I should stop at a supermarket on the way to work, even if one's open at 0400, to pick up some food. Would anyone suggest that soldiers deploying on exercise on Salisbury Plain should take a few days self purchased food with them instead of supplying them with rations?
It's not about being self important, or perks, it's just plain sense & about making sure that aircrew eat properly when operating expensive machinery, which is often full of lots of people. I know that there are plenty of stories of crews or individuals abusing the system but that does not make the idea wrong. Should 'they' do away with rations it would be remarkably stupid, petty, potentially dangerous & unlikely to save a significant amount of money.

"Should 'they' do away with rations it would be remarkably stupid, petty, potentially dangerous & unlikely to save a significant amount of money."
I agree - sounds PAYD for the rest of the Service though:\
Stupid, petty and potentially dangerous - but hey what is an MBE and directorship between friends:{

Ken you raise some valid points:D however imagine for a second you are a see in crew at Kinloss and it's your job too see in a Rod at 1145, by the time the crew are ten mins late after a few rollers and a long taxi, followed by servicing, refuelling and finally paperwork and tools check the mess has long shut for lunch! try inputting that on a JPA claim!:ugh:
Much like mess bills are added to by taking causal meals in the mess rations could be added to Aircrews monthly mess bills, everytime they fly the auth sheets are passed to the respective mess bills clerk, hey presto rations payed for easy peasy.
Winco seems to think I am somehow bitter that groundcrew and others have lost their duty meals entitlement (we all have) but really I couldn't give a toss and am not pushing for Aircrew to loose their entitlement to free rations, but the thread originated by saying that their is a chance the bean counters are trying to get rid of them, I am playing devils advocate by asking people to justify their freeness and nobody thus far actually can!

"easy peasy" !!

...so the more I fly, the bigger my monthly mess bills:uhoh:

f*ck off and get real.:rolleyes:

Personally, having recently tasted the offerings from a couple of Wiltshire bases you can keep the 'butty boxes' on short flights......a cup of coffee will do. :yuk: