tucumseh PM please.

Kapton wiring
 

DV
You will find the answer here:
http://www.publications.parliament.u...t/91209w01.htm

9 Dec 1999 : Column: 591W
Type of aircraft Nimrod .
Main locations Kinloss
Date first entered service 1969
Life expectancy (approximate figures in years) 40

Kapton wiring. Kapton is a trademarked material. It is one of a range of polyimide coverings used to insulate aircraft wires. Some 740 British military aircraft contain wiring of this type.

I hope this is helpful

And if you want to read a longer discussion go to :
http://commdocs.house.gov/committees...pw106-37_1.HTM

SORRY
I was wrong and DV was right I have a job with all these technical terms

Kapton Wiring
 

TD; Yes, I have read Hansard for that day and it clearly states that Nimrod, Kinloss, has PVC/Nylon wiring. Nimrod is not mentioned in the table for Kapton wiring. I have re-read the statement several times.

DV

I also have read the document several times and it clearly states there is no Kapton wiring on the Nimrod aircraft...

Still that said the PVC/Nylon wiring. life expectancy on the Nimrods runs out in 2009

I did say "If they say it was the Kapton wiring " obviosly they won't

VF; Many thanks for clearing that one up. I had started to doubt my eyes - Tapper's Dad was so sure.

Are there any Nimrod avionics/electricians out there, who can state what the current situation is on Nimrod regarding wiring type? With all the new add-on equipment in recent years, things could have changed since 1999.

DV

For goodness sake.
I tried before. And I will again. I was not related to any-one on the aircraft, but personally knew a number of the crew, the captain particullarly well. Whilst I sympathise with a lot of the theories abounding above, can we please, please let the BOI report, and, if neccessary, take things from there?
I state this for no other reason that I have faith in the system.
BS

Betty,
This is a rumour forum old bean - if you don't like that then don't read it, would be my advice Sir

The Winco

You took the words out of my mouth Wnco ,or maybe someone could start a new thread. "Nimrods stop talking about them"

Winco.
Completely take that on board.
However, whilst not trying to get into a, "you said that, I said that" email bouncing match, all I am endeavouring to suggest is that some rumours are more useful than others. I only wish to see those that are doing their job, the BOI chaps, be left to get on with it. I'm all for fairness. To suggest I don't read PPRUNe any more is niave and unhelpful. My comments were neither.

Winco 'old bean' yes this is a rumour network but I always thought it had appropriate limits and a self regulatory attutude to what we 'rumoured' about...Imagine the damage and hurt that could occur if we did not...
TD...Feel free to talk of the Nimrod but as you proved to us all and pointed out yourself you have extreme difficulties with the 'technical' side of any of your theories...
One hopes your Kapton ideas have not been included in any program you are making!
Why not wait and see if you are unhappy with the boards findings instead of grasping at staws? The boards findings may place you in a more knowledgable position to see in which way you wish to proceed with your quest...Honestly I mean you no malice and you as ever have my extreme sympathy but if you continually leap at potential reasons without a modicum of non rumour website research and trying to second guess the board before they've even had a chance to present you may begin to upset the very people you claim to want to help ie maritime aircrew.

VF
If I recall correctly you said "Tappers dad...If the BOI offer you a reason that lays the blame on nobodies doorstep i.e. a terrible accident would you accept it or would you carry on until someone/anyone has a finger pointed at them?"
I then said "I am not looking to blame anyone"
and went on to give an example using Kapton wiring, of who I would blame .Finishing with "THOSE WHO KNEW AND SAID NOTHING"

Maybe in hindsight and thanks to the technical knowhow of others I should have used fuel leaks as an example.As I was told by the RAF that was the source of the fire.
Can we agree on the fact that fuel leaked out VF ?? Yes or No

As for the TV programme do you really think I or anyone else has said what they think about the BOI findings before they are known?

The role of MP's
 

All MP's are responsible to seek the truth for constituents, no matter were it leads. The reason I need the help of the RAF is to find out what happened and make sure we learn from it.

Given the on going situations over seas and at home, I will continue to search and with your help get to the truth.

All contacts are in total confidence.

TD...The only thing I would agree on with anyone at the moment is that we should wait until the BOI issues it's findings...Then and only then can we begin to discuss this subject with any grounding and knowledge...For the sake of just a few weeks it's a shame we can't agree on that.

We do the need for an understanding of the situation is vital. All reports are only as good as the writer intends.

Speaks volumes doesn't it.

"TD...Feel free to talk of the Nimrod but as you proved to us all and pointed out yourself you have extreme difficulties with the 'technical' side of any of your theories...
One hopes your Kapton ideas have not been included in any program you are making!
Why not wait and see if you are unhappy with the boards findings instead of grasping at staws? The boards findings may place you in a more knowledgable position to see in which way you wish to proceed with your quest...Honestly I mean you no malice and you as ever have my extreme sympathy but if you continually leap at potential reasons without a modicum of non rumour website research and trying to second guess the board before they've even had a chance to present you may begin to upset the very people you claim to want to help ie maritime aircrew."
VF I,for one, agree with all you said in your post, spot on.:D
Betty, good on you for expressing views in line with how a few operators are feeling at this moment in time.
I await the inevitable shouting down that seems to permeate this thread.....

VF & difar69

You cannot possibly expect something as tragic as the loss of the Nimrod NOT to create a reaction like it has here. To suggest that we all sit back and do and say nothing is farcical. This is a rumour network. We all know that and we all understand that amongst those rumours will be a certain amount of comment that is factual and correct, and some will obviously be less factual.

TappersDad is not an aviator (at least I don't think he is anyway) and so we should allow him a 'margin of error' when he isn't as accurate about some things as many of us are. But come on guys, give him a break for Christ's sake. He is a grieving Father who simply wants answers to basic and simple questions about what went wrong on that fateful day. And something did go tragically wrong, whether we like that fact or not, something went wrong

We have no right to criticise him for his lust for the truth, just as we should NOT criticise this MP who is offering to help him and the other families. It would be easy to just tell the families to sit back quietly, in a corner and wait for the BoI. But I doubt if any of us would or could do that. We would be up there, shouting the odds and demanding answers now, not in another month or week, but now, today (right this minute if it were me I can assure you!)

So, lets all just cut TD a bit of slack and more importantly stop telling him what he should and shouldn't be doing. He can do whatever he wants to do, if he feels it is right and proper for him and his family to get answers and the truth, and none of us are in any position to object or argue with him over it.

Kind regards to all
TSM

TSM,

Here here well said Sir.

TD- Total respect Mr Knight, carry on the good work.

Does anybody know when the BOI report will actually be released, other than such terms as.....'a few weeks'.....'soon'......etc?