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DKP1 24th Apr 2007 08:54

is this the order you refer to??


"Points to note.

The objective of the interview is NOT merely to check that the individual has been issued with their equipment and knows where they are going. It is designed to ensure that they are both physically and mentally fit for deployment"

mmmmm

just had to do one of these, signed it off .........he seemed ok to me your honour!

SaddamsLoveChild 24th Apr 2007 09:16

Thats the one my dear boy.

DKP1 24th Apr 2007 09:21

maybe the designers of the interview could be held to account for not designing it properly?? :} :} The annex that you fill in and send on doesnt have any reference to mental or physical health except to ask if the correct medicals etc have or are being undertaken......


Think you may be getting over-excited.......

StopStart 24th Apr 2007 09:34


As I recall, two Navigators on a Herc Sqn that wore yellow T-Shirts actually had chits declaring that they were no longer mad. It may be time to track them down and see how the policy stands...
Yeah, but I always got the impression they must've written those chits themselves. Never saw said chits myself though, however I was always fairly confident they were written in crayon... Or blood.

:p

Wader2 24th Apr 2007 09:45

Winch-Control,

And another thing, did you know... medical in confidence applies to all. If you consult a civvy Doc, they, if you instruct them so, cant tell your mil one; if you tell your mil doc something, and they tell anyone else, including your boss; if you tell them not to, they are liable to be struck off as a GP. Rant over..'Passionate on the rubbish med care in the RAF.
May I refer you to QR 1474 for the Royal Air Force:

The MO of a station is to be in medical charge of the unit or units located at the station and is the responsible advisor to the CO of the station on the physical and mental health of officers and airmen, the prevention of sickness, the maintenance of health and the comfort and well-being of all personnel. He is to bring to the notice of the CO any officer or airman engaged on flying duties whose physical or mental efficiency is deteriorating through fatigue or other causes.

Seems pretty clear cut here, no mention of delegating psychological assessment to laymen.

Equally, as far as aircrew are concerned, you can kiss medical confidenciality goodbye.

Winch-control 24th Apr 2007 20:15

Press to test.
 
Interestingly enough, I have private health care. Not that I dont trust our outstanding serving military Doctors you understand, but because I didn't want to take any time off work; I requested a referral from the mil to a civvy and this was granted. I told the civ consultant that I did not want my referral info passed back to the mil. He didn't. I also informed my mil Doc that if he passed my request for a civ referral up the chain, I would report him, as a GP breaking confidentiality, to the GMC. He didn't. Bottom line; forget the QR! You have rights to confidentiality that move in circles that a GP will not transgess. I have pressed to test!

BootFlap 24th Apr 2007 21:29

Hang On!
If I declare that my whole flight is mad, then I would assume that there is little (or no!) need for an OJAR for each of them; surely it must be against Section (insert random number) of the Human Rights Act to comment on a persons fitness for promotion whilst I have also declared them mad. Therefore, less administrative burden for the poor (and may I say, sane) flt cdrs.
Also, if I declare one of my JPs mad it is my 'duty of care' to ensure the poor mad f@ckers don't fly, maybe the auth desk would be a good place. As an aside, this would also ensure that the flt cdrs would have a pick of jets (I'll have the one with the eff'ing big bombs please!) and plenty of hours to hone our exceptional (and also sane, stable, extroverted) skills. This is turn would solve the retention problem for experienced aircrew and ultimately save HM (God bless you Ma'am) a bucket load of cash that we could invest in even better things that go whoosh, and then bang!
HAPPY! You are all officially mad, I'll sign it.

dogrobber 24th Apr 2007 22:07

sorry dear boy , but until i see a medical doctorate honourification in front of sq/nldr, wing cmdr notaclue then u might find yourself in the deep dwang , happened on an isk sqn few yrs ago so beware there r real mad f:mad: rs out there.

BootFlap 24th Apr 2007 22:13

But surely if I declare all of them mad (apart from me, obviously darling) then it is safe. As soon as a qualified heeeed doctor tells me it's ok then they can fly, and I shall humbly apologise for my cautiousness (is that really a word?) but assure them I was only concerned for their well-being, and not merely nicking all the good trips?

It just seems you can't do right for doing wrong nowadays. I blame it on the French....

Hill Walker 25th Apr 2007 13:21

Mad
 
Does that mean all the 'You don't have to be mad to work here, but it helps' signs will have to go? Could be construed as being offensive to people who are actually mad.

Mr-Burns 25th Apr 2007 14:51

Being a Flt Cdr myself, I would just wish to point out the following:

My old man's a mushroom. The fish that work for me are wearing trousers held up with pink twine and the moon is made of cheese. Gib Gib. Petwang petwang.

Next officer in for his interview please - and leave that dress-wearing toad outside the door.

seekayess 25th Apr 2007 15:18

They just don't make 'em like they used to in the good ol' days!!

Big Cat Handler 25th Apr 2007 19:52

Speaking of "sane" chits, the best one has to be the SH crewman who was officially sane, as 2 out of his 3 chits said so!

Ali Barber 25th Apr 2007 22:05

I know of one F3 nav who had 2 "I am sane" chits. Didn't believe either of them!


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