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vecvec has gone deep and silent ..... thank goodness!

Vec Vec has gone silent since he only makes posts whilst at work!!!!

Si

No...Im here...been away for the weekend and just got back onboard....

So, how many of you would serve Queen and country for free then...Go on...hands up all those officers who are in the AFs so that they can serve the men under their command.

Twopack....read the small print shippers....ALL Officers on a PA spine MUST receive an OJAR level D or above in order to receive the next increment level. Therefore, your performance is directly related to your pay...If you perform well then you get a pay rise...if you dont perform well then you don't get a pay rise....thats called performance related pay.

anyway....come on....hands up....all those willing to serve for free so that they can serve the men under their command...

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Ah, the humour of the British Tommy.....and it took 17 minutes.
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OK I'll bite, as one of the men that could have been under your command, and people like you I have to say thanks, you have only confirmed what most SNCOs and ORs have known for the last 20 or so years that your type are what is causing the downfall of the services and why it is the state it is in now. I suppose you will be one of the other ex officers when it is your time who will suddenly find he has a set of B*** and when you have left will all of a suden come over all brave and tell the news papers what it is really like in the services. Oh but by the way it will cost you as I have to supplement my pension and pay for my mortgage.

VecVec, whilst flying around in circles for hours in the back of a Bag, Searchwater has oviously fried your brain!

I suggest that you retrieve the commisioning scroll from your toilet wall, and post it back to Madge, with an apology for having wasted her time signing it.

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Originally Posted by Mick Smith (Post 3009745)

Yes Roadster280 he was happily putting someone subordinate in their place. The man is a classic bully, happy to rap and embarass anyone below him but incapable of taking on anyone above him. If you think that humiliating a 1* in front of junior servicemen and women is the right thing to do, you need to undergo some serious man-management training.
This is a quote from a former mil asst to Jacko: "He loves his image as a hard man. Fair enough, but it appeared to me to be a classic case of a bully – he was always willing to shout at people who could only say ‘yes, sir’ back, but whenever a more senior officer was around he became oleaginously respectful – his pet phrase was actually ‘Yes, Master…’ "
Quite frankly not saying any of this when he was CGS might have been defensible on the basis that it was better to stay in place and try to change things, if it werent for the facts that a: Dannatt did make some serious changes within weeks of taking over - on operational pay, ministers' willingness to talk about withdrawing from Iraq, and military only wards - by not keeping quiet and b) Jackson didnt just keep quiet he repeatedly insisted loudly that everything in the garden was wonderfully rosy and called anyone who even came close to making the very same points he made in his lecture a liar.

OK, fair point. However, rather than a "hats on" in his tent, to just deal with the issue there and then, and be seen to deal with the issue seemed like an effective style. I wasn't aware of his "ego", for want of a better word, that never manifested itself while I worked in his HQ. However, it may well not have at my level (rather a few ranks below Comd ARRC).

I defer to you Sir.

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Originally Posted by vecvechookattack (Post 3012501)

Twopack....read the small print shippers....ALL Officers on a PA spine MUST receive an OJAR level D or above in order to receive the next increment level. Therefore, your performance is directly related to your pay...If you perform well then you get a pay rise...if you dont perform well then you don't get a pay rise....thats called performance related pay.

Firstly, everyone in all 3 Services must get a satis annual assesment to get a pay rise so your PA point is rather moot. From JSP 754:

03.0403. Yearly increments of pay are awarded to reflect experience and performance in rank. Such Yearly Incremental Progression (YIP) is conditional upon the achievement and maintenance of an acceptable level of performance determined by the annual appraisal process

Secondly, most people wouldn't call that performance related pay, more a punishment for those who aren't meeting the bare minimum standards. Performance related pay would mean getting something over and above your base salary for doing well (eg the theory, if not necessarily the practice, of the CS Bonus Scheme).